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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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Who would you sign instead of him who is PL proven and doesn’t need a season to adjust?

Ah yes, like when N'Golo Kante legendarily needed a season to adjust to PL football.

Hojbjerg can stand on his own, he doesn't need absurd rhetorical tropes to stack the analysis deck.

Jordan Fucking Henderson was the Footballer of the Year this year for goodness sakes. You don't need to be Zidane-level classy to do a job in that position in this league.
 
Who would you sign instead of him who is PL proven and doesn’t need a season to adjust?

Its always hard to say who you would take as a fan as we don't have insight into who is and isn't available. And we may disagree on the season to adjust because I think this is often way overblown and most talented players don't need a season to adjust.

Guys I would take over PEH because I think they are better and more traditional DM's who have been rumoured to be available recently:

Partey
Dennis Zakaria
Franck Kessie
Declan Rice
Gueye
Ndidi

Barrios also intrigues me but haven't seen much of him lately just remember him from when we were linked a year or two ago.

I would also love to get SMS who isn't a traditional DM, but I think plays the same style of PEH so if we are shoe horning PEH into the role SMS would obviously do it similar but at a much higher level.
 
Do you have a link for that?

Edit: found a story in the UK, Nothing like that reported in the US that I could find.

It's not right. And like I said, I don't care if Amazon buys the Spurs or not. If these timed breaks are violating employment laws, then someone should prosecute.
Mate their was an hour long TV programme on it hidden cameras the lot. It was not a nice watch. Have a google it will turn up.
 
I suspect this is one where there's no ITK to be had and the outcome at this moment is genuinely uncertain.
It does seem like a 'make it worth our while' kind of stance with regards to Inter.

I'd be fascinated by what's actually gone on in training etc. This whole situation has almost zero transparency because no matter how desperate Mourinho is to get rid, we'd never broadcast that in a million years.

I was convinced by the 'we want to keep him and believe in him' line before but lean more towards the cutting our losses thinking now.
 
Its always hard to say who you would take as a fan as we don't have insight into who is and isn't available. And we may disagree on the season to adjust because I think this is often way overblown and most talented players don't need a season to adjust.

Guys I would take over PEH because I think they are better and more traditional DM's who have been rumoured to be available recently:

Partey
Dennis Zakaria
Franck Kessie
Declan Rice
Gueye
Ndidi

Barrios also intrigues me but haven't seen much of him lately just remember him from when we were linked a year or two ago.

I would also love to get SMS who isn't a traditional DM, but I think plays the same style of PEH so if we are shoe horning PEH into the role SMS would obviously do it similar but at a much higher level.
Fair enough I can’t say I have seen much of him play myself but if Jose has identified him as a target I’m just happy that Levy hasn’t left it till the last minute and hopefully he will get a full pre season in
 
Its always hard to say who you would take as a fan as we don't have insight into who is and isn't available. And we may disagree on the season to adjust because I think this is often way overblown and most talented players don't need a season to adjust.

Guys I would take over PEH because I think they are better and more traditional DM's who have been rumoured to be available recently:

Partey
Dennis Zakaria
Franck Kessie
Declan Rice
Gueye
Ndidi

Barrios also intrigues me but haven't seen much of him lately just remember him from when we were linked a year or two ago.

I would also love to get SMS who isn't a traditional DM, but I think plays the same style of PEH so if we are shoe horning PEH into the role SMS would obviously do it similar but at a much higher level.
Rice out of the question as hammers will not sell to us, add to that the small matter of them wanting 70m leaves it out of the question.
 
It does seem like a 'make it worth our while' kind of stance with regards to Inter.

I'd be fascinated by what's actually gone on in training etc. This whole situation has almost zero transparency because no matter how desperate Mourinho is to get rid, we'd never broadcast that in a million years.

I was convinced by the 'we want to keep him and believe in him' line before but lean more towards the cutting our losses thinking now.

You could imagine both Mourinho and Levy are interested in what sort of Ndombele returns for pre-season training. There is more information they can gain to inform what has to be a very challenging decision.

But if anyone says they'd never consider selling, or that he's totally no longer in the plans, my guess is that's a lie at this stage.
 
I'd like to attempt a civil debate about this, but given the touchy subject I will put it in a spoiler, as to not ruin anyones day who absolutely hates Levy

TL;DR I fully agree with criticism regarding Levy that is fair and proven, but in addition to this (in my humble opinion) Levy is also blamed for more than he is responsible for.

I'll work with sub titles to cover my main problems with some reasoning on this forum:

1) Levy isn't the only one to blame when a transfer falls through
We are a big club, multiple scouts, multiple people working together to get a deal done (+ a full team at the other club that we want to deal with + agents). Levy isn't a dictator, I truly believe he acts on the ideas that the whole team has agreed to beforehand. If a target doesn't come to fruition, I don't think it's fair to only blame Levy for it (if there is prove he is the only one to blame, feel free to have a go at him). Also, and I am totally fine with people having another view on this, I believe it's sometimes best to walk away from a deal if the price is too high. (This wouldn't apply to clubs who aren't self-sufficient like PSG, City or Chelsea) For example Bruno and Dybala (who I would have LOVED at our club btw). Would they both seem like steals now? Yes, but you can't predict the future, every transfer involves a lot of money and a lot of risk.

2) "Levy has a hidden agenda at the cost of our club"
Levy wants the biggest amount of money possible for his shares if he choses to sell them. And I am 100% OK with this. There aren't a lot of things that I can think of that he can do in this regard that are not in the best interest of the club at the same time (in the long run). He also doesn't suck the club dry through dividends (Imagine if he would pay himself dividends and at the same time say there's no money for transfers, then I would be the first to sign the petition, THIS ISN'T THE CASE THOUGH). "But he earns a lot of money, relatively more than other chairmans" Well, he is also more business savvy than most other chairmans, our superior commercial growth rate is an example of this (Note: Just like I don't agree with blaming everything on Levy, I'll admit it's also incorrect to only praise him for every commercial success, since this is linked with how good the players are. However, I still think my point here is reasonable.)

3) "If you don't hate him, that means you're sucking his balls you propaganda machine"
I get the feeling that to some people the "not anti Levy camp" has the mental capacity of the flat earth community. This kind of exaggeration prohibits any kind of healthy discussion. This bothers me.

4) Squad as good as United =/= the funds as good as United (Or: Liverpool, City, Chelsea)
We earn less than the biggest teams, which means we aren't able to spend as much. "Look at who Club X bought, why didn't we buy him, we have zero ambition." "Levy is lying when he says Covid influences our spending power this year". The rules don't apply to clubs with bottomless owner money (City and Chelsea after two windows of transfer ban mind you), or clubs with such high income streams compared to their costs that even a worldwide pandemic won't hurt them (United?). We have HUGE DEBT that's hurting our budget (it would be far more reasonable to say "Levy's over-reliance on debt financing is now hurting the club in these exceptional times") . The stance on spending what we ACTUALLY earn has historically been frugal (I'll admit that!), but this year I believe this will only amount to 20% (not 0%!) of the reason we aren't spending big (while 80% is because of the economic situation) if this way of saying it makes sense. Extra: whilst it would be great as a fan, I don't think it is good business to spend above our status and hope the increase in performance on the pitch will pay for itself afterwards.

5) "Additional concerts and a possible NFL franchise are at the expense of the football club"
I am cynical/skeptical at heart, but I can't wrap my head around this reasoning. Our pitch can't be damaged, and in the worst case the football club needs to reschedule a few matches to accommodate the Americans. It's great publicity for our club and the profits go to the club (Back up your statements with evidence if you are convinced it isn't so).

6) Things I don't like about Levy/ Things I don't agree with from the ideology of the club
(Because I do try to be objective here)
- Negotiating is good BUT it can take too long. If a deal falls through and there's no time left to go for an alternative, that's bad business. However, I would rather pay 5 million less for a player if it means he misses preseason though (I am OK with people disagreeing with this).
- Levy isn't that likeable as a person. He could do better in this regard.
- If we weren't in the midst of our stadium build, more money could have gone to our squad in the short term. (Tbh, I don't think anyone at the club expected the squad to perform as well under Poch)
- There is a way to spend more and still be within reason. Still no City/Chelsea/United level though to be clear.
- I find it odd that if Levy doesn't believe in the big spending philosophy, that he stopped at world class infrastructure as an alternative. I would find it logical if he would hire a strong figure to implement a club wide football culture that transcends the current first team manager. Kind of like the Dortmund/ Red Bull network/ ...) That way bang average players could shine in a world class system. (Would be very profitable too).
- I understand that people have a problem with the so-called "Only top 4 ambition" (to an extent). I believe we need to be CL participants for several years to get our commercial revenue and prize money up to speed in order to become a long term BIG club. (I think) I prefer 10 CL seasons to 1 PL title & being midtable afterwards for the next decade. (I am OK with people disagreeing on this)



Other nuanced views on the matter are welcome, as it is perfectly possible there are 'loopholes' in my reasoning. You could be of the conviction that overall Levy has done more bad than good. But if you can't recognize the good I'm not really interested in your view. People who read this and are boiling with rage, it's not worth it, put me on ignore and enjoy your evening, I'm just a random bloke on the internet you've never met.
Nope, some interesting & good points. Its all just opinions at the end of the day. I do believe levy has taken us far as he can & puts profits before trophies. No way is success on the pitch a priority. I don't think he genuinely is determined for success on the pitch. His main goal is to make the club more valuable. I don't think he will take us to the next level but sounds like you don't either.
& I do understand people sticking with him. But I just think life's too short & am ready for us to roll the dice & go for it. There is no right or wrong in either opinion.

I also think he takes too much money out for himself especially when as you say we have a stadium to pay for. That bonus could have been the difference in getting say dyabla for example.
 
Fair enough I can’t say I have seen much of him play myself but if Jose has identified him as a target I’m just happy that Levy hasn’t left it till the last minute and hopefully he will get a full pre season in
Based on previous transfer windows, our modus operandi seems to be having a prioritised list that we work through - so that does indicate the importance we've placed on the CDM slot.

Aside from the whole pre-season thing, I'm relieved that Levy won't be spending much more time on this and can go sort out the other targets. I'd bet the Aurier sale will accelerate now too.
 
You could imagine both Mourinho and Levy are interested in what sort of Ndombele returns for pre-season training. There is more information they can gain to inform what has to be a very challenging decision.

But if anyone says they'd never consider selling, or that he's totally no longer in the plans, my guess is that's a lie at this stage.
Could imagine a scenario where pre-season and the first couple games (PL 1, EL 1, PL2) determines if Levy tries to sell him before October 5th.
 
You could imagine both Mourinho and Levy are interested in what sort of Ndombele returns for pre-season training. There is more information they can gain to inform what has to be a very challenging decision.

But if anyone says they'd never consider selling, or that he's totally no longer in the plans, my guess is that's a lie at this stage.
One of the things that bugs me a bit with the whole saga is direct comparisons to Sonny after his first season.

Yes, he wasn't settled and wanted out, but he was streets ahead of what Ndombele has shown in 19/20. Quite frankly, I think it's also obvious that Son has a remarkable dedication and work rate which will always give a player the best chance of eventually 'clicking' with a new team.

Ndombele just seems like the opposite. I have very little faith in him coming good for us.
 
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