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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane
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So not one person then?
For me there’s a silent majority out there that agree with the notion he’s just not world class, but don’t say it, because it’s taboo
When he joins City, watch how many people suddenly don’t rate him
They are wrong. Kane is a brilliant footballer. But he is not a 'game changer'. If we are playing shit, he cant score because he relies on service. Son is more of a gamechanger, even Lucas. But these two are not elite level game changers. Still better to have them when we cant dominate instead of Kane.
You can't have his record for club and country and not be considered world-class. Or at very least very close to. But you make it clear you think he's average, which is just ridiculous.
If he goes to City he'll score in big games loads more. But then you'll just say "it's only because of De Bruyne and Foden... blah blah". And if you do, you're only agreeing with things I've already stated.
And if Lucas Moura took 2x the amount of shots as the next highest player, took penalties, took free kicks, and sat next to the goal looking for easy tap ins, he’d be the top goal scorer for god knows how many seasons
Vardy or even someone like Abraham could replicate Kane’s goal record for England and maybe England would have a legit trophy by now
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I rate Vardy but he never translated his club form to the national team. Partially because he had a global fucking superstar in his way scoring for fun.
Scoring for fun against far inferior teams on the level of Pacos and Mura but very rarely in the biggest games unless it was a penalty or a tap in. Stick any decent England striker in there and England’s results over the last 5 years doesn’t change other than the fact that they might (just might) have a trophy. Same with Spurs if we hadn’t played Kane in the CL final.
You think Tammy Abraham could have scored 166 goals in 248 games for England? I rate him, but he's been a less than 1 in 2 goalscorer for every team he's ever played for, aside from ones that reside in the championship.
And Vardy had 6 in 27 for England. Even if you gave him all the pens you'd barely get him up to 1 in 2. The man is a very good premier league striker but ill suited to the different style of play you see at international level.
Harry Kane’s scored 166 goals for England?
41 in 64 for England .. so well over 1 in 2 which is an impressive ratio, even with penalties. I don't see anything from Tammy's career which would suggest he's capable of that. Vardy has shown he might be, but when he did play for England he didn't look close to the player we see at Leicester.
First off he is not a tap in merchant please you guys made your points Ndom bad boy and todd but please i have played professional sport and i find this insulting i hate the word tap in merchant and ohh he scores easy goals believe me there is nothing easy about it. Yes we could sell Kane but three players would have to replace a Decent enough CF that can get us 15-20 goals a season the right foward postion needs to produce more goals and we need a consistent AM which will assists and chip in with 7 goals. This not easily obtained, Yes Kane has 0 Goals do you think Tammy Abrham is an improvement I really don.'t think so, I think he is bang on average its better you said calvert lewin. Bissouma would improve our midfield but he would be competing against holjberg for a dm spot we still need creators in our midfield, Our Ams have talent but consistency and availability is the most important thing to have as a footballer and neither seem to have it. Sarr he could be excellent or he could be average Jury still out on him.
load of shit like you talk sense some times but sometimes you can't help yourself but to troll Kane and you expect people to take you seriously
Even if he was a "tap in merchant", there would be absolutely nothing wrong with that. To be a tap in merchant you have to have wonderful movement, timing and anticipation.
I'm not taking sides (I think in Kane's case the truth lies somewhere between both arguments) but that made me roar with laughter.
- That's because he is world-class. His record doesn't lie.
- No, I didn't. I've simply said he's had plenty of poor games against the better sides, regardless of whether it's less than Kane. That's not mocking at all, you simpleton.
- No, I've not. I've simply said that in a better side than ourselves, Kane would have a better record in the bigger games. That's simple logic, if you're not a simpleton.
- That's fine. Doesn't mean that Son doesn't also score the vast majority of his goals against lesser/weaker sides though, which is a point you continue to completely ignore after you have basically said that Harry's goals don't count like a proper weirdo.
- World-class strikers are the type that score 20-30 goals season after season, even in average teams like us, and compete and win Golden Boots in one of the toughest competitions in Europe. So that's Harry Kane.
World-class player. World class Harry Kane.
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Some time ago I had the same opinion as you. But as he does fail on the big occasions quite a bit.- That's because he is world-class. His record doesn't lie.
- No, I didn't. I've simply said he's had plenty of poor games against the better sides, regardless of whether it's less than Kane. That's not mocking at all, you simpleton.
- No, I've not. I've simply said that in a better side than ourselves, Kane would have a better record in the bigger games. That's simple logic, if you're not a simpleton.
- That's fine. Doesn't mean that Son doesn't also score the vast majority of his goals against lesser/weaker sides though, which is a point you continue to completely ignore.
- World-class strikers are the type that score 20-30 goals season after season, even in average teams like us, and compete and win Golden Boots in one of the toughest competitions in Europe. So that's Harry Kane.
World-class player.
I look at the games he's usually criticised for. Like the final against Liverpool. He was clearly unfit, but as I keep saying, he didn't pick himself. And the rest of the team was poor, certainly the attacking players.
Yeah, his record in what would be considered the bigger games could definitely be better. I've not argued otherwise. But it's a team game and he's often in a side that is largely dominated, and chances created by us few and far between. Saying players like Lewandowski and Aguero previously are so much better than him because they have a better record in bigger games than he does is madness, considering the players they play with in comparison. If you want to say they are both better, fine, I'm perfectly alright with that. But this "bigger games" thing I'm not. Put Harry in either of those two sides and he'll score against better opposition more often. I don't see how anyone can try to say differently.
Fair points and taking a closer look into Vardy's international stats, you're right but you'd have to look into whether Vardy started/came off the bench, tactics, how the team played as a unit, and ultimately the team's result (ie. did they win or lose).
With that said, 12 of Kane's 41 goals for England were penalties. He has scored 29 open play goals in 64 apps or 5,028 mins played. So based on open play goals, he's scored every 173 minutes.
Vardy has scored 7 open play goals in 26 apps or 1,323 min played. This equates to a goal every 189 minutes. This isn't significantly different than Kane. Remember, Vardy doesn't start most of his games so apps isn't a great way to base his goal record off of. Mins played is a more accurate base/indicator.
So when you're doing an apples to apples comparison between the two, it's not much different. But one has the perception of being an amazing national team player that 'scores for fun' and the other is considered to be a poor player when he plays for England. Numbers suggest a different conclusion when you look deeper into it.
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