Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

[The Outsider]

Now, now mister conspiracy theorist.

The position that myself and a couple others have taken has been that Kane has not been the same player since 2018 hence the reason why we start from 2018. There's been a noticeable difference.

Though I admit he's been one of the best flat track bullies since 2018, he scores in bunches against inferior sides, but near the bottom of the list when playing the top 4.

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Yes he broke the EPL goals and assists records in 2020 - so noticeably and factually better was that the point you were trying to make?

Or were you claiming that breaking all EPL records was in fact a negative? NDumDumbArs ....

He is not "near the bottom of the list when playing the top 4" there are upwards of 80 strikers in the EPL are you seriously claiming he's near the bottom of that list - what an utter feckwit.

The thing with theories is that yours is based on your own bullshit - mine is based on reality - can you spot the difference?

 

[sammyspurs]

Yes he broke the EPL goals and assists records in 2020

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That’s where it’s been pointed out 4000 times that one goal was against a side in the top 6 at the time of playing them (Leicester)

2 was a against a side that finished top 4 (Utd) but scored when they were 16th (one was a pen)

2 v West Ham

3 goals against teams 7th -10th

The rest bottom 10

No one is arguing he doesn’t score goals

 

[The Outsider]

To all the people throwing stats from 7 years ago in:

HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE NOTION IS THAT KANE HAS REGRESSED SINCE AROUND 2018 IN TERMS OF PERFORMING AGAINST THE BIGGEST CLUBS

NOBODY IS SAYING KANE WASNT A TOP PLAYER EARLIER THAN THIS.

Stop pretending you don’t understand

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Look at last year then - ranked either 1st or 2nd in the EPL alongside Salah by every sports survey on the planet ... were they all fooled?

 

[sammyspurs]

sammyspurs They could have just looked at stats like these and just said "interesting." And that would have been the end of it. It's as if I've offended their family member.

I'm sure you'll find this interesting. I actually wasn't aware of just how poor he's been against the big 4 relative to other PL players. Looks pretty atrocious.

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It’s very, very telling that despite these stats being a surprise to most, myself included, not one of those people are like “wow! That’s pretty impressive from Son”

Especially when they claimed it’s impossible to perform to those levels against big clubs in this very same team

Shows what they’re all about.

THKFC

 

[sammyspurs]

Look at last year then - ranked either 1st or 2nd in the EPL alongside Salah by every sports survey on the planet ... were they all fooled?

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AGAINST THE BIGGEST CLUBS

No they weren’t fooled.
They counted his goals. His goal tally was very good against the bottom ten.

You don’t get double for scoring against City or Liverpool, but it does show what the player is capable of. A goals chart is just a goals chart.

 

[The Outsider]

That’s where it’s been pointed out 4000 times that one goal was against a side in the top 6 at the time of playing them (Leicester)

2 was a against a side that finished top 4 (Utd) but scored when they were 16th (one was a pen)

2 v West Ham

3 goals against teams 7th -10th

The rest bottom 10

No one is arguing he doesn’t score goals

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So hang on - you now only measure strikers by certain games? what about ignoring all goals when already winning or all goals when they're just consolation goals, why not ignore all penalties or free-kicks - we all know that if only certain selected goals count statistics can say anything.

Here's the thing - players in the top ranked clubs get more goal scoring opportunities than those in lower ranked clubs - makes Harry's achievements even greater - any mug can score from ten attempts a game it's much harder when you are only getting one or two.

Your - I will construct my own data set to support my preconceived position - is utter bullshit

But hey if you want to convince yourself own of the world's top strikers is now shit - have at it - me I'll go with the actual facts.

 

[Ulrika-ka-ka-ka]

I really hate this phrase “flat track bully”. That suggests that Kane is only good (only wants to be good?) against lesser teams. I don’t think that is the case at all, he wants to score against everyone, every game.

Now if someone wants to say that he doesn’t have the acceleration, ball control or pace to trouble the best defences but he can make mince meat of lesser defences, that could be a valid argument if it’s articulated that way. But “flat track bully” makes him sound he only wants to score against shit teams. The reality is he wants to score against all teams.

I read some of the comments on here and wonder if he is better at Man City after all.

 

[sammyspurs]

So hang on - you now only measure strikers by certain games? what about ignoring all goals when already winning or all goals when they're just consolation goals, why not ignore all penalties or free-kicks - we all know that if only certain selected goals count statistics can say anything.

Here's the thing - players in the top ranked clubs get more goal scoring opportunities than those in lower ranked clubs - makes Harry's achievements even greater - any mug can score from ten attempts a game it's much harder when you are only getting one or two.

Your - I will construct my own data set to support my preconceived position - is utter bullshit

But hey if you want to convince yourself own of the world's top strikers is now shit - have at it - me I'll go with the actual facts.

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Nope.
I’m questioning how a striker considered world class can only perform in certain games.

Stop pretending you don’t understand or go and read the ten week old debate. You’re too late to join the debate at this stage having missed EVERYTHING

You brought up Salah last season:
1 goal v Madrid
2 goals v City home and away
3 goals v Utd (scored one when Utd were 2nd and 2 in the cup)
1 against us (not saying much)
And also scored against Leicester

I’m not sure why you would pretend you don’t get it

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

But hey if you want to convince yourself own of the world's top strikers is now shit - have at it - me I'll go with the actual facts.

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This is the only list I need to support my flat track bully since the 2018/2019 season thesis

Our own, loyal winger is on the top of this list but I'm sure it doesn't mean shit to you because it makes Kane look bad.

Goals against the Premier League Big 4 since 18/19 season:
Son: 11 goals
Aubameyang: 10 goals
Salah*: 10 goals
Mane*: 9 goals
Rashford*: 9 goals
Vardy: 8 goals
Jiminez**: 7 goals
Calvert Lewin: 7 goals
Martial*: 7 goals
Richarlson: 7 goals
Lacazette: 6 goals
Sterling*: 6 goals
Firmino*: 5 goals
Ings: 5 goals
Kane: 5 goals
C Wilson: 3 goals
Jesus*: 2 goals
Wood: 2 goals

*Only includes games against 3 of the top 4 teams
**Jiminez missed the majority of last season due to head injury

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

Now if someone wants to say that he doesn’t have the acceleration, ball control or pace to trouble the best defences but he can make mince meat of lesser defences, that could be a valid argument if it’s articulated that way.

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That's fair. Your point is where I was getting at but you're probably more eloquent than I. He's physically deteriorated and evidently no longer has what it takes to threaten top defenses. Of course he still wants to score every game. He's just unable against the better/top defenses.

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

Here's the thing - players in the top ranked clubs get more goal scoring opportunities than those in lower ranked clubs - makes Harry's achievements even greater - any mug can score from ten attempts a game it's much harder when you are only getting one or two.

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Nope, another false narrative.

Son blows Kane out of the water when it comes to goals above xG and goal conversion rate.

You can look it up but Kane does not have a good goal conversion ratio nor impressive goals above xG number.

Last season, his shots per game was more than 2x than Son but he only scored 2 more non-PK goals than Son. 19 vs 17 goals.

It's been discussed in here a dozens times when you and Ahab were out discussing American politics telling the world that the election was rigged.

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

It’s very, very telling that despite these stats being a surprise to most, myself included, not one of those people are like “wow! That’s pretty impressive from Son”

Especially when they claimed it’s impossible to perform to those levels against big clubs in this very same team

Shows what they’re all about.

THKFC

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Spot on. It's no secret that some want the club to be THKFC. The problem is that Son debunks almost every false Kane narrative out there and the fans that want the team THKFC despise him for it.

Narrative: "Kane can't score against top sides because of his team"
Response: But Son is #1 in the League as far as scoring against the big 4 PL sides since 18/19.

Narrative: "Kane is one of the most clinical strikers in Europe."
Response: No, he's not even the most clinical on his team. Statistically Son is much more clinical than Kane but no one mentions how clinical Son is. Son has much better goals above xG and shot conversion rate than Kane.

Narrative: "Kane doesn't get any service."
Response: But he takes more than 2x the amount of shots than Son but only scores 2 more non-PK goals than Son. Who's passing the ball to him for him to get that many shots off? Is he stealing the ball and passing to himself?

Narrative: "Kane is an elite playmaker/assister and the best passer of the ball."
Response: No, actually Son has more assists than Kane since the 17/18 season. Son actually has the most assists in the PL among forwards since that time yet isn't seen as a good playmaker. Kane has averaged 3 assists per season prior to last season.

Narrative: "Kane is consistent."
Response: Actually, statistically he has comparable/similar rough patches as Son every season. But Son is considered very patchy while Kane is not.

Narrative: "Kane is world class."
Response: Son is not widely considered world class but has been statistically a better attacker than Kane on many metrics including more non-PK goals+assists since the 18/19 season. He also has scored more than 2x the goals as Kane against the big 4 PL sides during that time.

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Narrative: "If you don't rate Kane like god, you're a weird guy from Asia or a Woolwich supporter."
Response:

 

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Which is why they keep coming back with data from a period where none of us have criticised him.

It’s the Dele principle.

He scored worldies in 2016 and used to destroy Chelsea home and away so that means he always does it

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Fair point. His style of play has evolved, but I much preferred the 2016 1.0 version of Kane….. but he’s still a classy striker and you can’t argue against that. Better than 2016? No. Currently verrer than nearly all other strikers in the PL? Yes. Better than any replacement we could hope to sign (use Vinicius at your benchmark here not some sort of unrealistic fantasy signing like Vlahovic or Martinez which we know Lecy won’t close)

 

[The Outsider]

Nope, another false narrative.

Son blows Kane out of the water when it comes to goals above xG and goal conversion rate.

You can look it up but Kane does not have a good goal conversion ratio nor impressive goals above xG number.

Last season, his shots per game was more than 2x than Son but he only scored 2 more non-PK goals than Son. 19 vs 17 goals.

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Repeating that Kane is now shit using manipulated statistics - why bother?

No true Spurs fan is going to agree with you, as you can see from the responses. You believe what you want, just don't expect most sane fans to go along with you ....

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

Repeating that Kane is shit using manipulated statistics - why bother?

No true Spurs fan is going to agree with you, as you can see from the responses. You believe what you want, just don't expect sane fans to go along with it ....

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No, I think there’s a large percentage of the fanbase that’s turned on Kane and seeing him for what he is. You’re just in denial, still thinking a hat trick against a Mura and Tacos is the same thing as scoring against City or Liverpool. Your love for Kane is clouding your judgement. Just like how your judgement is clouded regarding the elections.

 

[Murphy]

Repeating that Kane is shit using manipulated statistics - why bother?

No true Spurs fan is going to agree with you, as you can see from the responses. You believe what you want, just don't expect sane fans to go along with it ....

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Not a true Spurs fan. And probably sammy.

If everyone put these pricks on ignore, the forum would be better. Since they aren't being banned.

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

Not a true Spurs fan. And probably sammy.

If everyone put these pricks on ignore, the forum would be better. Since they aren't being banned.

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I didn’t know being a true Spurs fan meant requiring Kane to be exempt from criticism and creating false narratives that makes him look good at the expense of the club/other players.

 

[sammyspurs]

Not a true Spurs fan. And probably sammy.

If everyone put these pricks on ignore, the forum would be better. Since they aren't being banned.

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Another car crash of a poster……Son is the one that keeps fucking you all up.

“Not a true Spurs fan” but lauding Son.

Seems you’re another who thinks
Kane = Spurs

You can’t escape this, because Son ruins all your arguments and the fact that there are only about three people praising him for it says it all.
You don’t give a shit about Sons stats, against the big clubs over the last 3 years because they trounce Kane’s.

No praise, no acknowledgment just shit posts about Kane and gooners et

Well when it comes to me and Kane, there’s only one of us that’s ever worn an Woolwich shirt

 

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No, I think there’s a large percentage of the fanbase that’s turned on Kane and seeing him for what he is. You’re just in denial, still thinking a hat trick against a Mura and Tacos is the same thing as scoring against City or Liverpool. Your love for Kane is clouding your judgement.

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Your problem is you think emotionally, try sticking to facts - just to show you how wrong you are about this season here are the shots on target data upto this weekend - those strikers you're busy wanking over at the other bid six couldn't hit the side of a barn door - yet you claim Kane is somehow getting worse?

 

[sammyspurs]

I didn’t know being a true Spurs fan meant requiring Kane to be exempt from criticism and creating false narratives that makes him look good at the expense of the club/other players.

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A true Spurs fan would say Kane scored against more big clubs than Salah last season.

West Ham >>>>> Real Madrid