Didn’t sound like you thought Conte was the best last night at all.
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Didn’t sound like you thought Conte was the best last night at all.
Sure we can try to go with players that are not natural forwards, I was just pointing out the reason that Kane is overplayed because we have mismanaged our squad meaning we have zero natural replacements for him so have to resort to playing guys out of position to cover for him.
Back when? Are you suggesting that us losing in the 2017 FA Cup semi final against Conte's Chelsea was down to Kane only scoring 1 goal?
Did you shit the bed?
No, we ended with Jose, who then steered us back out of the Top 6. We then tried Nuno, after Conte turned us down while we were still unsure if we would keep Harry Kane.
We lucked into Conte because he was still available and we still had one of the best strikers in world football for him to world with.
No, what you care about is whatever you can twist to try and save face on this thread.
It's just throwing your self-serving bullshit back in your face, mate. No-one gives two shits whether you think you are more of a fan than anyone else. If anything, your behavior here signals that you care more about your position on TFC than you do Tottenham Hotspur.
Yeah. One has markedly better players trying to stop you scoring.
No it doesn't.
if Kane is the driver, what is his car? The team? You seem to have a completely backwards understanding of how football works as a team sport.The coach is the driver, or else you are just shitting the bed.
No you didn't. If Kane is not improving his form how come he just scored against Liverpool and set up what could have been a match-winning assist?
I see how you're comparing Berg to someone who has scored 176 goals across 7 seasons.
You mean: they didn't come on until late in the game. Nice try
Then you should be happy we have a coach now who wants to get the whole team firing again, like we used to under Poch.
And yet you still can't provide any evidence for that other than pointing to the issues causes by poor coaching, whereas I can point to him scoring and assisting more than anyone else in the league last season and scoring more international goals in 2021 than any player in the history of our national team.
My argument is that while he's been in crap form for Tottenham this season, he's clearly still a top class striker. Yours is a dead end of cherry-picked stats which can easily be used against it.
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Are you people so sensitive that not wanting Winks on means you want Conte sacked?
You moaned about numerous choices he made, including keeping Kane on. He's only been here five minutes and you're already questioning basic decisions he makes, but you think he's the best? Surely you have faith he knows what he is doing?
You seem to think anyone should give two shits about the waffle of someone who thinks that just because you're not playing One Man Team tactics this makes the man in question useless to your team. Don't forget you're just some bloke on the internet with a very regressive understanding of football.
Poch was broken after the CL final, and couldn't find his spark again. He had worked miracles with an exhausted squad and ran out of juice. He was still the best man to steer the rest of that season if you ask me, and maybe hand things over at the end of it.
Sacking him mid-season is exactly the type of short-term nonsense which plagues most Premier League clubs now, and has been Levy's habitual mistake. Every time we've knee-jerked the way you like, we've thrown our squad and ambitions into turmoil. We got lucky that Conte was willing to come to us and save us from Nuno, but Poch wasn't Nuno. Poch was who had given us our whole team identity, and handing that to Jose was a complete disaster.
No, your sentiment is to your own voice, and your own ego. My sentiment is to the club, which is why I want voices like yours to shut up for a while and stop making us like Woolwich.
Ok, we have more PPG, how were we from an attacking perspective?
Without Kane this season we played City, Wolves, Paco and Vitesse. We won the first two but scored a grand total of one goal from open play, so hardly indicative of a thriving attacking force, more that we played defensive football and got lucky via a penalty and a punt. We lost to Paco and Vitesse without him, so again .. not really thriving were we? I mean christ we were even struggling vs Mura till we substituted him on.
Last season we lost Kane for a brief period too, after he got injured vs Liverpool. We lost to Brighton and Chelsea 1-0 each. So in the last 4 league games without Kane we've scored one single open play goal. Wow we're so much better! Freed from the shackles of Harry Kane!
Sample size difference?
It's funny how all these professional football coaches are always getting it so wrong compared to some bloke on the internet.
How come you've never coached a premier league club? Sounds like you're a visionary...
You may take our ability to score, but you can't take our freedom!
(just wait and watch him go ahead and blame it on Nuno...
)During the period you just lauded the manager and team as being far superior we lost two semis and a final
You claimed we lost these games due to poor tactics earlier
Contes the manager last time I checked
How can I twist “who cares”?
Yes it does
He had one goal and one assist under Nuno
Now he has one goal and no assists since Conte
That’s not improving
No I’m comparing the fact that just because you did something 4 days ago it doesn’t make it a norm
So coming on late means you can’t play well?You mean: they didn't come on until late in the game. Nice try
As I said, poor subs
I am, and I’ll be happy when he starts to build his own team as opposed to being forced to recycle the shite that Poch Jose and Nuno built
So what you are saying is that Kane was better under Jose and Mason than under Conte?
I agree, that’s why Conte will replace him
Salah might say go fuck yourself, so possibly would KdB and a whole host of other attacking players who are not "natural forwards" ... you don't half talk some shit ... but at least it gives us all a good laugh ....
Sonny, who is also not a "natural forward" might add please stop talking bollocks .... yes we need another striker but the issue (football issue so way over your head) is that with the exception of Sonny our midfield players have consistently failed to score enough goals.
Again as this is football knowledge you won't understand but look at Pep's City - they play with a single striker but score 60% of their goals from midfield - Klopp's Liverpool play with midfielders Salah and Mane, neither of whom are "natural strikers" scoring 60% of their goals.
You won't understand but whilst Kane is a world class striker, and Son is a world class attacking midfielder, after that we struggle for goals ... adding a striker to alternate with Kane won't make Kane or Spurs score more, but adding a goal scoring midfield player (or getting Dele back to where he was) will ... I know that's football tactics, which you don't understand, but Pep, Klopp and Conte all do, luckily Conte's now in charge, you should already be able to see the tactical differences ... but then it's you so maybe not.
Since 2016 we have more ppg without Kane than with him
Deal with it however you want
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"Conte is a genius, except for when he rates players I've been whining about for months!"
It’s not funny at all, it’s cost us silverware and got them sacked
Amazing considering you blamed managers for their tactics in Kane losing 4 finals and 3 semis in 6 years.
Maybe you’d have won the lot?
He has the players he has
It is great that other teams with different tactics play different ways. We are not City and Liverpool have Firmino, Jota and Origi.
Son can have all the words he wants but he is a starter so he isn't over for Kane. This has been gone over here multiple times and every time it is brought up it is correctly pointed out how stupid it is to claim that Son is cover for Kane.
There is no cover for Kane, your attempts to use personal attacks that are pure crap doesn't change that.
Says the man who thinks anything which happened past this half season is irrelevant. Kane's goal in the past don't matter now because he's been bad so far this season, right? Your logic switches so quickly it's incredible.
Facts say that in RECENT games we've been shit going forward without Kane. One goal from open play in the four games we played without him, struggling vs Europe's shitest sides when he isn't in the team too.
You look only at PPG, why not how many goals we scored without? That would actually show if we're a better attacking team without him. What does Kane have to do with us defensively? I imagine if we look at goals per game with and without, and our xG with and without, it'd be less when we don't have Kane in this team.
And as
Datzlo
says - sample size is important here. With Kane is far more games.Well we won more games 1-0 and drew some 1-1 than we had previously lost 0-1 and 1-2 ..... so from an attacking perspective we scored less .... of course we won/drew rather than lost (that's why the PPG is higher) but who cares about winning right?
Since 2016 we have just as many points per game with or without Kane, that's not to say we don't need Kane we do, but it's a team game and the team have stepped up more often that not.
Okay, so you've got one sample consisting of hundreds of games, and one with what? 30 odd? And this is a fair comparison in what universe?
The team may have been able to step up under Poch without him, it was a good team with a great work ethic, we may have dug in and won some games 1-0. That doesn't mean we were 'better' without him, just that we were capable of coping. But that's all it was, coping, otherwise the manager wouldn't have rushed him back whenever he could.
Yes, it's a team game. And almost all our managers seem to think we benefit from Kane in the team. More recently when he's been out, we've badly struggled to score goals. Maybe if/when we're back to prime Poch levels and have a great side we can afford to lose him, but we aren't there yet.