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Manager Antonio Conte
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I agree. and i'm English. Out of curiosity what is it in Germany Spain and South America?
You talking about the Benrahma shot? Was a decent volley after the ball bounced around a bit on the edge of the box, hardly a good chance in my book
And Lloris didn’t have much to do after the subs apart from a cross that was deflected and nearly went in
Don’t bother giving facts to Sammy. Sammy doesn’t deal in facts.
Goals per game: 0.9 under Nuno, 1.8 under Conte
Goals allowed per game: 1.8 under Nuno, 0.6 under Conte
xG per game: 1.1 under Nuno, 2.1 under Conte
xGA per game: 1.7 under Nuno, 1.1 under Conte
with the same "cunt" "bang average" players...
Goals allowed per game: 1.8 under Nuno, 0.6 under Conte
xG per game: 1.1 under Nuno, 2.1 under Conte
xGA per game: 1.7 under Nuno, 1.1 under Conte
with the same "cunt" "bang average" players...
I was curious about our "% of possession" stats over the past several PL seasons, as % of possession is generally a fairly good indicator/metric of better teams. Obviously, outliers and exceptions exist in any dataset (Leicester City 15/16 PL champs w/ only 42.6% possession in the league), but in most seasons in the modern PL era, champion-sides average in the 60% possession range, often >. Stats per: fbrefdotcom.
Our % of possession arc over the past 8 PL seasons generally parallels our on-field performance, culminating in our 17/18, + 18/19 seasons range, and decreasing consecutive seasons and managers.
Some bad news: 5 PL matches into the Conte era, our % of possession is: 46.0%, even lower than the 51.4% average in Nuno's 10 PL matches.
Some good news: The obvious... we're unbeaten in the PL under Conte (3-2-0, 2.2 pts/match, +6 GD, and this season's dataset for (both) Conte and Nuno is relatively small.
Some (potentially) other good news: The first thing that stands out is the amount of touches/match this season:
1 Touch = player receives pass, controls, sends a pass.
Conte: 606.6 touches/match (46.0% possession)
Nuno: 616.8 touches/match (51.4% possession)
% of Possession is generally calculated by a % of the total passes by both teams. So, the average cumulative total (of Spurs + opponents) touches/match:
Conte: 1318.7 touches/match
Nuno: 1200.0 touches/match.
This would imply that the pace of our PL matches under Conte are significantly faster than they were under Nuno (at +118.7 touches/match.) At least, the football moves between players at a quicker pace. The distance covered stat chyron on the Sky feed yesterday confirms that our players are running more as well.
This may have some relevance to Conte's player and tactical decisions. The math may be incorrect but it feels right.
I don't love conceding the ball as much as we do/have, and I blame certain players for it, but good results are good results.
Small dataset but kinda fun.
The possession stats aren't very reliable, probably the least reliable stat - it's literally a junior stat employee with two stop watches.....and its very boring so they lose concentration all the time
The facts are had Nuno done the exact same thing the forum would be calling him a negative PE teacher
Luckily the changes were forced due to Covid and not something Conte would have done normally at that stage of a game.
Weird that so many crave Nuno Ball
“because Conte did it”
Personally I hope we never take off our best attackers on the day and play Winks-Ball with half an hour of a game left
No one liked it when Jose did it but now it’s world class tactics?
Even though it was forced on him?
Not sure anyone is calling it world class tactics, but we saw the game out, so effectively they were the correct choice
Nuno and Jose were totally different, the players didn’t want to play for them, shown by the fact we’ve gone from 20th in distance covered to 1st
Conte ball will be defensive at times, but I trust him 100 times more than the last 2 managers
We are also so much more of an attacking threat under him
Slagging him off for subs in a game we won is a bit pointless in my opinion, it’s still early in his reign and he is working with a shite squad riddled with covid and lots of games in a short space of time
If it was the correct choice for Conte then it was the correct choice for Nuno and Jose.
The fact the players effectively went on strike doesn’t mean the tactics were suddenly wrong, if they were the same.
It just mean the players are a bunch of cunts, as we all knew they were
These are of course PL stsats. We have played 5 PL games with Conte including only 1 top ten team(liverpool) in there. Theres hope but thats lets see how these players play against city, chavs, arse, manu etc.
We also played against another PL team in the cup(westham). Even against Westham our xG was 1.3 and theirs was near 2.0. So wouldnt get too excited just yet about the 'bang average' players.
Yeah but Conte has managed to get these cunts running, which the others couldn’t
That still doesn’t mean the tactics were different it just means the players don’t respect the badge, and when they’ve had enough of Contes training or want their ketchup back, they’ll stop shutting out games again
That’s a possibility but I think Conte’s record shows he most probably won’t let that happen
Also I think we’ll see in the long run that the tactics conte employs are massively different to Maureen or Nuno
It already happened to him at Chelsea
Contes tactics are different, he plays a high intensity pressing game based on attacking football.
That’s why I’m happy to make the differentiation between the first 60 minutes and the last half an hour if Jose/Nuno ball.
It wasn’t good just because it was Conte…..we saw out games doing that under the other managers too, it was still risky and shite football.
As I said numerous times, thankfully he did it because of Covid, if others enjoyed it, I think they’ll be disappointed it won’t be happening a lot, especially at home to West Ham for 30 minutes.
It’s a ten minute tactic at best.
If you know he won’t be doing it when he can buy his own players etc then it shouldn’t bother you this much Sammy?
I’m not saying it was good because it was Conte, I’m saying it was employed better by a manager players want to do it for
It’s Christmas Day. Nobody needs to read your nonsense. Delete yourself until January
WowIt’s Christmas Day. Nobody needs to read your nonsense. Delete yourself until January
It bothered me before I knew he did due to players being tired after Covid.
I’ve stated that several times since the day after the game.
I’m not going to pretend it was anything other than drab Nuno ball though, just because the players now think it’s time to respect the club and turn up
Yeah but players turning up for a manager means tactics work better? I never had a massive problem with Nuno or Maureen tactics, they just couldn’t motivate the players to adhere to them properly
Conte’s tactics are far more progressive but watching any of his teams will tell you he can also take the sting out of a game and make it hard to watch
Contes tactics are more progressive when he isn’t deploying Nuno Ball.
When he deploys Nuno Ball, we are as progressive as we were under Nuno.
"In the second half we tried to manage the Covid situation. Many players who had Covid played today and the levels dropped. I had to make lots of substitutions.”
This is why he made the changes. It delights me he felt the need to clarify why he did that, because it was shite.
Im ok with it, but it was still shite.
The players also saw out games under Nuno and Jose, and we looked just as rubbish “seeing out the game”.
Wanting to play for Conte doesn’t make Nuno’s tactics any different, what made it different was the fact he deployed it for 90 minutes.