Management Levy / €NIC. In or Out

[Deuterz]

Well having read the entire thread, I've seen no evidence of "posters" (plural) making out they're better fans.

Unless, of course, you subscribe to the idea that there are a group of posters sharing the one account.

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You've got ENIC in people insulting other posters across the whole thread ... calling them stupid, questioning their commitment as a fan, personal attacks on the OP (repeatedly). It's not just one person in this thread at all.

And the Levy/ENIC thread is a cesspit for it. There's a few really good ENIC in posters there who put across their views well but there's also a good handful who are massive wankers about it and are incredibly sanctimonious.

 

[LeParisien]

You've got ENIC in people insulting other posters across the whole thread ... calling them stupid, questioning their commitment as a fan, personal attacks on the OP (repeatedly). It's not just one person in this thread at all.

And the Levy/ENIC thread is a cesspit for it. There's a few really good ENIC in posters there who put across their views well but there's also a good handful who are massive wankers about it and are incredibly sanctimonious.

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Tbf in here it’s mostly just me insulting people. Who else is doing it?

I can get away with it because I’m smart as a whip
and I’m only saying it to genuine cases of stupidity. That’s not sanctimony - it’s acknowledging the correlation between those posters who can follow an argument or who have leadership experience and those who are more favourable to Enic.

Those who oppose mostly run away from any deep discussion or are as mad as a bag of frogs.

Edit - never thought I’m a better fan though. Unlike the many aspersions cast against people without season tickets or foreigners. Haha!

 

[Deuterz]

Tbf in here it’s mostly just me insulting people. Who else is doing it?

I can get away with it because I’m smart as a whip
and I’m only saying it to genuine cases of stupidity. That’s not sanctimony - it’s acknowledging the correlation between those posters who can follow an argument or who have leadership experience and those who are more favourable to Enic.

Those who oppose mostly run away from any deep discussion or are as mad as a bag of frogs.

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Someone insulted the OP on page one.

Huh? How would you know what leadership experience the ENIC in posters have or how much the ENIC out posters don't have?

 

[LeParisien]

Someone insulted the OP on page one.

Huh? How would you know what leadership experience the ENIC in posters have?

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Show me a leader who
- struggles to type a coherent sentence and
-believes that one metric is the only criterion for progress.

Let’s be real!

 

[Deuterz]

Show me a leader who
- struggles to type a coherent sentence and
-believes that one metric is the only criterion for progress.

Let’s be real!

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There's lots of leaders out there who won't be the most literate.

I don't think anyone actually thinks trophies are the only metric of success, just the key one. For me personally it's actually just being excited to watch games. It's meant to be entertaining after all, football should be enjoyable.

Watching Spurs matches shouldn't feel like a duty or chore, which is how they currently feel for me and (I imagine) lots of other fans. And it's mostly been that way since Poch. As a kid I chose Spurs because having watched us under Harry I associated the club with being exciting, brave, a bit mad and unpredictable even.

Trophies are up there. They're damn important and winning them helps instill a different mentality at a club. Right now I don't think anyone at this football club (from the chairman to the manager to the fans) believes we can win fuck all. That's a problem.

 

[Kid Chameleon]

Last night, I was reading about our trophy gap between 1921 and 51, which is the longest in the club's history, and there are certain similarities with how the club operated then to how it operates today:

- much money was spent on the expansion of White Hart Lane to the detriment of the team
- playing and coaching staff became very demoralised and the best talent was either sold in haste, allowed to leave or sacked

There were a couple of high points like the 2nd place finish in 21-22 and the 3rd place finish in 33-34 but we spent a lot of time in the second tier. It was youth development in the late 40s and the vision of a certain Arthur Rowe that came to our aid.

I'm still not completely convinced that Levy is to blame for our tendency to bottle the big occasion. We've had several teams that should have won trophies but didn't. Just off the top of my head:

09/10 - finished 4th in the league and got handed an FA Cup semi-final against a Portsmouth team that was in administration, bottom of the league and not likely to be returning to the top flight for a very long time. What happened? We lost 2-0.

11/12 - Harry Redknapp had a great team with Parker and Modric in midfield, Bale on the wing, VDV up front and an absolute rock between the sticks. What happened? We won nothing.

16/17 - maybe the best team since the double. The fact that it didn't win a trophy is a tragedy.

I wish it was as simple as Levy giving Conte a blank cheque but I don't think it is. I have doubts over Conte's long-term commitment to us and I don't like his political posturing to the media. I'd rather he gave his all to win every match instead of turning in half-assed performances to highlight squad weaknesses. He hasn't signed a long-term contract with us and his family is living in Italy. That tells me everything I need to know about his commitment to win trophies for us.

 

[LeParisien]

There's lots of leaders out there who won't be the most literate.

I don't think anyone actually thinks trophies are the only metric of success, just the key one. For me personally it's actually just being excited to watch games. It's meant to be entertaining after all, football should be enjoyable.

Watching Spurs matches shouldn't feel like a duty or chore, which is how they currently feel for me and (I imagine) lots of other fans. And it's mostly been that way since Poch. As a kid I chose Spurs because having watched us under Harry I associated the club with being exciting, brave, a bit mad and unpredictable even.

Trophies are up there. They're damn important and winning them helps instill a different mentality at a club. Right now I don't think anyone at this football club (from the chairman to the manager to the fans) believes we can win fuck all. That's a problem.

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People absolutely have said the lack of trophies shows no progress has been made and stuck to that when challenged. It’s in this thread and I was pretty rude about their cognitive abilities. I think your line of argument is an admission that this is a ridiculous position. But I don’t pretend the anti-Levy tribe is a homogenous group. You’re clearly at the smart end of a thick and emotional bunch. I don’t know who that says more about.

I think your point about winning a trophy instilling a winning mentality is nonsense and irrelevant. For one, Leicester and Wigan have seen no real benefit. And in any case many spurs players have won many important trophies. It’s a silly tabloid fantasy designed to appeal to unthinking people..

I agree with you that the managerial choices and quality of football have both been poor since Poch and that these both reflect badly on Levy’s leadership. We actually have quite a lot of common ground.

 

[Ionman34]

You've got ENIC in people insulting other posters across the whole thread ... calling them stupid, questioning their commitment as a fan, personal attacks on the OP (repeatedly). It's not just one person in this thread at all.

And the Levy/ENIC thread is a cesspit for it. There's a few really good ENIC in posters there who put across their views well but there's also a good handful who are massive wankers about it and are incredibly sanctimonious.

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And it cuts both ways.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

This whole thread was started for the simple reason if starting the whole shit fight, it's what the OP lives for.

Whether you agree with the sentiment or not, you're an intelligent enough poster to realise this.

 

[stevee]

You've got ENIC in people insulting other posters across the whole thread ... .....

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There's a few really good ENIC in posters there who put across their views well but there's also a good handful who are massive wankers about it and are incredibly sanctimonious.

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[Deuterz]

People absolutely have said the lack of trophies shows no progress has been made and stuck to that when challenged. It’s in this thread and I was pretty rude about their cognitive abilities. I think your line of argument is an admission that this is a ridiculous position. But I don’t pretend the anti-Levy tribe is a homogenous group. You’re clearly at the smart end of a thick and emotional bunch. I don’t know who that says more about.

I think your point about winning a trophy instilling a winning mentality is nonsense and irrelevant. For one, Leicester and Wigan have seen no real benefit. And in any case many spurs players have won many important trophies. It’s a silly tabloid fantasy designed to appeal to unthinking people..

I agree with you that the managerial choices and quality of football have both been poor since Poch and that these both reflect badly on Levy’s leadership. We actually have quite a lot of common ground.

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Wow, thanks!

I think if you believe trophies are all that matter you're missing the point of football. And I think if you view it as the sole way a club can progress you're wrong. I just view it as an important metric, not just for 'emotional' reasons but functionally too, winning trophies shapes a club .. as does not winning them at all, hence why we have a reputation which probably feeds in to the players as well.

Leicester won an FA cup not long after their PL title. They also got to a CL quarter final, which with that group of players was unprecedented. Wigan just fell apart as a club due to relegation, nobody is saying that if you win a trophy it's like magic pixy dust that fixes everything. It does help a club (Incl fans) have belief and gives them something to cling on to when shit goes south.

 

[Deuterz]

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I mean you've cut the quote off at a convenient point.

There's lots of ENIC in posters who frequently call people stupid in that thread. You're not one of them, but they exist. One of them decided to use learning difficulties as an insult. Is that not acting like a wanker? I'd say it is.

 

[Archie]

People absolutely have said the lack of trophies shows no progress has been made and stuck to that when challenged. It’s in this thread and I was pretty rude about their cognitive abilities. I think your line of argument is an admission that this is a ridiculous position. But I don’t pretend the anti-Levy tribe is a homogenous group. You’re clearly at the smart end of a thick and emotional bunch. I don’t know who that says more about.

I think your point about winning a trophy instilling a winning mentality is nonsense and irrelevant. For one, Leicester and Wigan have seen no real benefit. And in any case many spurs players have won many important trophies. It’s a silly tabloid fantasy designed to appeal to unthinking people..

I agree with you that the managerial choices and quality of football have both been poor since Poch and that these both reflect badly on Levy’s leadership. We actually have quite a lot of common ground.

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Sanctimonious arsehole.
Your not clever just arrogant. We can all see through the bullshit. No one said Enic hadn't progressed the off field side of things. However they are rip off merchants of the highest order after 20 odd years fans eyes are opening to it.
It's going to be an uncomfortable ride for them

 

[LeParisien]

Sanctimonious arsehole.
Your not clever just arrogant. We can all see through the bullshit. No one said Enic hadn't progressed the off field side of things. However they are rip off merchants of the highest order after 20 odd years fans eyes are opening to it.
It's going to be an uncomfortable ride for them

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You’re*

They’ve progressed the club on the field too. Compare 2022 with 2002. Do it. Tell me what you find out.

There were a lot of people online saying Levy out during the Poch years too. Some people are just frustrated.

 

[Cranston]

Leadership experience.

 

[scott]

We’ve made the CL 4 times since they last did and they have 2 8th place finishes in that time.

I imagine a fan of your caliber would have wanted their ownership out years ago.

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I am a bit confused. To be honest I thought their owners were new & weren’t even in charge when we qualified for the CL 4 times ago. & also I thought they have won the fa cup under them & will win the title. So I’d prefer their owners than ours. & they are much better promoting youth. Fa cup & league title in a few years seems like, well I can’t imagine us doing that under ENIC.

 

[scott]

I don't believe so......

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Me neither. & look like winning the title.

 

[harry7]

The thing is, Spurs are not a big club. We are trying to get into the big boy club, without spending vast amounts of money.

We over achieved during the Poch years; which was largely due to United, City, Liverpool, Woolwich all going through major squad and coach overhauls. This has set an unrealistic expectation that we are 'entitled' to be top 4 and title contenders.

Levy is very well respected and has influence with FIFA. Spurs best hope is that he can use this to push through changes to financial rules to prevent over clubs spending their way to success.

If we want to continue to be frugal with transfers, I would seek to recruit elite coaching staff for the youth and development squads; so we can develop top players rather than buy them. Imagine the good that Bielsa could do with our academy.

 

[scott]

Well having read the entire thread, I've seen no evidence of "posters" (plural) making out they're better fans.

Unless, of course, you subscribe to the idea that there are a group of posters sharing the one account.

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I have had at least ‘7 or 8 enic in’ posters tell me they are better fans than me & other ‘enic out’ posters. It’s their main thing they do. Surprised you haven’t noticed it.
They also tell us to go support Man City & silly stuff like that. I am sure I & other ‘enic out’ posters have said some silly/mean stuff too. But I ain’t trying to claim otherwise like you seem to be doing about the ‘enic in’ bunch.

 

[scott]

Last night, I was reading about our trophy gap between 1921 and 51, which is the longest in the club's history, and there are certain similarities with how the club operated then to how it operates today:

- much money was spent on the expansion of White Hart Lane to the detriment of the team
- playing and coaching staff became very demoralised and the best talent was either sold in haste, allowed to leave or sacked

There were a couple of high points like the 2nd place finish in 21-22 and the 3rd place finish in 33-34 but we spent a lot of time in the second tier. It was youth development in the late 40s and the vision of a certain Arthur Rowe that came to our aid.

I'm still not completely convinced that Levy is to blame for our tendency to bottle the big occasion. We've had several teams that should have won trophies but didn't. Just off the top of my head:

09/10 - finished 4th in the league and got handed an FA Cup semi-final against a Portsmouth team that was in administration, bottom of the league and not likely to be returning to the top flight for a very long time. What happened? We lost 2-0.

11/12 - Harry Redknapp had a great team with Parker and Modric in midfield, Bale on the wing, VDV up front and an absolute rock between the sticks. What happened? We won nothing.

16/17 - maybe the best team since the double. The fact that it didn't win a trophy is a tragedy.

I wish it was as simple as Levy giving Conte a blank cheque but I don't think it is. I have doubts over Conte's long-term commitment to us and I don't like his political posturing to the media. I'd rather he gave his all to win every match instead of turning in half-assed performances to highlight squad weaknesses. He hasn't signed a long-term contract with us and his family is living in Italy. That tells me everything I need to know about his commitment to win trophies for us.

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True. The owner, chairman, manager & players all seem like they are just going through the motions & treading water.
Looked up Arthur rowe. Interesting guy. Apparently he invented the successful "one-two" method of play! I am calling it the ‘Arthur Rowe’ from now on!

 

[scott]

94 out. . So 6 more & it’s 100 voting for out. Who will be the 100th & win a prize. Hope John has got something special lined up.