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Transfers January 2023 Transfer Thread. The Big One

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Notabadsquad said:
The likes of Frank etc are a bigger risk because it is one thing managing clubs with minimal expectation and managing us. Look at the difficulty players have and magnify it, do any such move would be risky in my opinion.
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Yep, would have to agree.
Not only that but when people point to the likes of Frank / Potter / De Zerbi etc those clubs are also very well run and getting excellent value off the players the scout & sign. They also have a playing philosophy which means it's easier to slot similar type managers into place when one leaves.

Outside of well run systems like those (which we definitely dont have) I think it's a massive risk taking on those specific managers who may well struggle to replicate their success.
 
Murphy said:
Spending £100m a season also isn't going to fix it when you have a £300m+ deficit in quality going back four years. Much of our squad failure goes back to the three windows where we signed nobody; even Fergie signed at least one new player a season when he was winning everything.

I appreciate that we aren't a sugar daddy club, and we have to be more frugal but it might be better to spend a couple of season's worth of month in one go to increase the quality rather than trickle a small bit of quality once a year.

Romero aside we need to replace every single player across the back line. That's £250m at least, let alone a Kane and Son replacement, a creative midfielder and back ups for those positions. Levy being too tight when he needs to be and ending up with poor quality players instead is half the problem. Overspending on shit is what makes him not pay higher prices.

Every single position we are currently fucked in needed replacing in June 2019.

Rose was waning, Trippier wasn't a Walker replacement (not helped by having Sissokko in front of him pointing). Toby and Jan were declining, hell Hugo was. Eriksen decided to stop playing. Yet we have bought new players in these positions. Some for fancy money.

The recruitment is the single biggest issue at this club. And yes, we collectively felt it was a good summer window, but clearly it wasn't. Perisic aside nobody has improved us overall. Back to square one.
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It was a good window for most positions aside from LCB and RWB. They just happen to be absolutely vital positions in the way Conte sets up his teams.
 
There is no point buying Porro or another wing back though is there?

No manager in their right mind plays three at the back in England. Conte will be gone soon so why would we buy him another one?

Actually that's exactly what we will do then wonder why the next manager doesn't fancy someone who cant play fullback or winger and has to be loaned out because we cant get him off the squad.
 
Brian Fantana said:
There is no point buying Porro or another wing back though is there?

No manager in their right mind plays three at the back in England. Conte will be gone soon so why would we buy him another one?

Actually that's exactly what we will do then wonder why the next manager doesn't fancy someone who cant play fullback or winger and has to be loaned out because we cant get him off the squad.
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Potter plays with a three doesn't he?

Tbh Potter and Conte are at the wrong clubs and should simply swap. Potter works best with a limited budget and Conte wants to splash the cash on big money signings.
 
coughymachine said:
Right now, would that really be such a bad place to be? They're 3pts behind us on the same GD having played a game less. They're next 4 games are Leicester (A), Bournemouth (H), Palace (A) and Fulham (H). Meanwhile, we play Man City (A), Fulham (A) and Man City (H). Good chance they're above us by the time both teams have played 22 games.

Oh, and they don't play turgid, inflexible shit.
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they play only the EPL, with 0 pressure, and the next year they will play to save the league, like always.
their great coach Potter is doing embarassing things in a big team like Chelsea
 
Merl said:
Yep, would have to agree.
Not only that but when people point to the likes of Frank / Potter / De Zerbi etc those clubs are also very well run and getting excellent value off the players the scout & sign. They also have a playing philosophy which means it's easier to slot similar type managers into place when one leaves.

Outside of well run systems like those (which we definitely dont have) I think it's a massive risk taking on those specific managers who may well struggle to replicate their success.
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And where you and I would possibly also agree is that if you srevto give such managers a chance, you have to back them with money and time but also player scepticism.

It can work but rarely does although it's also fair to say thst unless you give it a chance how will you know?

It's a conundrum but too simplistic to say if it works there it will with here and let us not forget that success is relative.
 
Murphy said:
Romero aside we need to replace every single player across the back line. That's £250m at least, let alone a Kane and Son replacement, a creative midfielder and back ups for those positions. Levy being too tight when he needs to be and ending up with poor quality players instead is half the problem. Overspending on shit is what makes him not pay higher prices.
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Newcastle have the best defence in the league and it's only set them back 80m including the keeper. There are deals to be had! Udogie looks like a good buy and Spence too if he ever gets the chance. We really need to find a commanding CB and a new GK urgently!
 
Murphy said:
Spending £100m a season also isn't going to fix it when you have a £300m+ deficit in quality going back four years. Much of our squad failure goes back to the three windows where we signed nobody; even Fergie signed at least one new player a season when he was winning everything.

I appreciate that we aren't a sugar daddy club, and we have to be more frugal but it might be better to spend a couple of season's worth of month in one go to increase the quality rather than trickle a small bit of quality once a year.

Romero aside we need to replace every single player across the back line. That's £250m at least, let alone a Kane and Son replacement, a creative midfielder and back ups for those positions. Levy being too tight when he needs to be and ending up with poor quality players instead is half the problem. Overspending on shit is what makes him not pay higher prices.

Every single position we are currently fucked in needed replacing in June 2019.

Rose was waning, Trippier wasn't a Walker replacement (not helped by having Sissokko in front of him pointing). Toby and Jan were declining, hell Hugo was. Eriksen decided to stop playing. Yet we have bought new players in these positions. Some for fancy money.

The recruitment is the single biggest issue at this club. And yes, we collectively felt it was a good summer window, but clearly it wasn't. Perisic aside nobody has improved us overall. Back to square one.
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Yes the mismanagement of our defence is the biggest failure.

The fact that bit-part squad players like Sanchez, Dier and Davies have become integral first-team players over the last few years is all the evidence needed.

Of this back 6 (including GK) we realistically need four signings.

Romero and Udogie (hopefully) cover RCB and LWB but the other four positions need upgrades massively.

We are easily talking 150m on the defence alone to get it up to standard:

Top RWB: 35m
GK: 35m
Top CB: 50m
Promising CB: 30m
 
VonnegutBusy said:
The fact that bit-part squad players like Sanchez, Dier and Davies have become integral first-team players over the last few years is all the evidence needed.
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I see this stuff a lot, I don't think it proves what you think it does*

Dier was a regular starter under Pochettino and Mourinho.
Davies made more appearances under Pochettino than Rose, the preferred LB
Sanchez actually plays less than he used to.

* Yes all should be improved on.
 
If we sign nobody, our only solution is to change formation, go very attacking and hope we can overwhelm teams with goals. We're shipping goals regularly at the moment anyway so we have to do something.

3 at the back is not working at all, just put Romero and Dier together and stick with Perisic and Doherty for the rest of the season.

4-3-3 id have Kane dropping back to play as a number 10 like he does anyway and he can be our creative outlet in the middle. Richarlison can play up front with Kulu and Son.

Son can very easily be benched for Gil at this point as well.

Its all just papering over cracks, won't happen while Conte is here anyway and I think we are setting up for a very rough few weeks.

We either invest big now for Conte (won't happen) or he's gone by the summer and we're back to square one.

I can only see one result here and its Poch back in the summer with a load of younger players coming in
 
OffTheBench said:
I see this stuff a lot, I don't think it proves what you think it does*

Dier was a regular starter under Pochettino and Mourinho.
Davies made more appearances under Pochettino than Rose, the preferred LB
Sanchez actually plays less than he used to.

* Yes all should be improved on.
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1. Dier played under Poch when he could actually move and his best football was at DM. As a CB he has always been suspect.
2. As you say Rose was preferred, Davies may have made more appearances for injury reasons but he was obviously the back-up option
3. Apart from one good season Sanchez has never been a main starter.

The point I'm trying to make is clear. These types of players were always a rung below Vertonghen, Toby, Rose etc. back when we had a good team.

We let all our good starting XI players move on yet their backups remain. Unadulterated Disaster.
 
Lilywhite9 said:
If we sign nobody, our only solution is to change formation, go very attacking and hope we can overwhelm teams with goals. We're shipping goals regularly at the moment anyway so we have to do something.

3 at the back is not working at all, just put Romero and Dier together and stick with Perisic and Doherty for the rest of the season.

4-3-3 id have Kane dropping back to play as a number 10 like he does anyway and he can be our creative outlet in the middle. Richarlison can play up front with Kulu and Son.

Son can very easily be benched for Gil at this point as well.

Its all just papering over cracks, won't happen while Conte is here anyway and I think we are setting up for a very rough few weeks.

We either invest big now for Conte (won't happen) or he's gone by the summer and we're back to square one.

I can only see one result here and its Poch back in the summer with a load of younger players coming in
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The problem with backing Conte is in one window he wants to spend a record amount for any club to ever have been spent. That wouldnt happen even if we had Qatari money. Instead of realizing that and either bowing out or at least saving his legacy by trying to be flexible for the last months of his contract, Conte is being a baby.
 
Lilywhite9 said:
If we sign nobody, our only solution is to change formation, go very attacking and hope we can overwhelm teams with goals. We're shipping goals regularly at the moment anyway so we have to do something.

3 at the back is not working at all, just put Romero and Dier together and stick with Perisic and Doherty for the rest of the season.

4-3-3 id have Kane dropping back to play as a number 10 like he does anyway and he can be our creative outlet in the middle. Richarlison can play up front with Kulu and Son.

Son can very easily be benched for Gil at this point as well.

Its all just papering over cracks, won't happen while Conte is here anyway and I think we are setting up for a very rough few weeks.

We either invest big now for Conte (won't happen) or he's gone by the summer and we're back to square one.

I can only see one result here and its Poch back in the summer with a load of younger players coming in
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On paper we could have a fun team with a progressive manager:

Lloris
Spence - Romero - Lenglet - Perisic
Sarr -- Bentancur
Kulu -------------- Kane --------------- Gil
Rich
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We desperately need energy in this team. You would get that with Spence, Sarr, Bentancur, Gil, Kulu and Rich.
 
VonnegutBusy said:
1. Dier played under Poch when he could actually move and his best football was at DM. As a CB he has always been suspect.
2. As you say Rose was preferred, Davies may have made more appearances for injury reasons but he was obviously the back-up option
3. Apart from one good season Sanchez has never been a main starter.

The point I'm trying to make is clear. These types of players were always a rung below Vertonghen, Toby, Rose etc. back when we had a good team.

We let all our good starting XI players move on yet their backups remain. Unadulterated Disaster.
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No doubt we need better players, 100% with you.

But my point is they're pretty much playing the same amount as they always have.
 
VonnegutBusy said:
On paper we could have a fun team with a progressive manager:

Lloris
Spence - Romero - Lenglet - Perisic
Sarr -- Bentancur
Kulu -------------- Kane --------------- Gil
Rich
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We desperately need energy in this team. You would get that with Spence, Sarr, Bentancur, Gil, Kulu and Rich.
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Not sure why you are telling us, we all know this it's Conte you need to speak to...

I'm on board the Poch & Paratici train and would rather this team above or similar get the rest of the season together.
 
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