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Manager Antonio Conte

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Not defending him and obviously want him gone but that Sheff Utd defeat has been happening for 4 years now wherby the team just dont turn up in the cups against lesser opposition. Palace and Colchester under Poch......Norwich, LASK and Zagreb under Mourinho..... Pacos and Vitesse under Nuno.....Mura, Boro and Sheff Utd under Conte. Its a pattern. Most of the players have changed, the managers have changed and yet it continues. Is it because all the players know top 4 is the target? A lazy culture throughout the club? Squad players thinking they can get the manager the sack? No real idea but this wont change by just appointing yet another new manager.
Yep it comes from ENIC.
 
Looks at the game from yesterday , we go 3-1 up and we decide to dig in , 5/4/1 and just sit back and invite pressure , against the bottom of the league , surely the players don’t decide to do that for themselves?
I agree there are a lot of problems at the club however maybe if Conte wasn’t so stubborn with his subs and formations then we would be looking a lot better.
Yup. Agreed. Both are true.

Conte will argue that the way he manages has been a proven recipe and if the players did it, we would win. Not buying that because he is also responsible for getting the players to buy into it and hasn't.

I wonder whether it's possible to get player buy in when they know they can go to the chairman if they don't agree with the plan the manager wants them to buy into??
 
Not defending him and obviously want him gone but that Sheff Utd defeat has been happening for 4 years now wherby the team just dont turn up in the cups against lesser opposition. Palace and Colchester under Poch......Norwich, LASK and Zagreb under Mourinho..... Pacos and Vitesse under Nuno.....Mura, Boro and Sheff Utd under Conte. Its a pattern. Most of the players have changed, the managers have changed and yet it continues. Is it because all the players know top 4 is the target? A lazy culture throughout the club? Squad players thinking they can get the manager the sack? No real idea but this wont change by just appointing yet another new manager.
But then this goes against “X player needs to leave as he wants to win something”
Something is defiantly rotten at the club , but let’s take Sheffield for example , why did we start with Son , Richie and Lucas up top, why did we start with Sanchez , Dier and Davies in defence ? How many players who started against Sheffield were still here under poch?
Why didn’t we just go for it from the start ,
Play the team that just beat Chelsea , try and get a bit of a run together?
It all comes down to small margins I guess as we could be sitting here in 3rd place going into the International break still in the FA cup and still in the CL
 
He never said that. He said that the club and the manager have to take blame but also the players.
exactly.
he made a simple reflection: if coaches like mourinho and him fail to change the mentality of these players, can someone begin to think the problem are these players?
they are terrible under pressure, and they look for comfort zone, every time. when a coach becomes too demanding they boycott him.
pochettino was the one who reached the best results, because he was like a father and not a coach. when the fans asked him to win a trophy, things got worse all of a sudden
 
Do you see it as all his fault (agree he's gone btw)?

Or do you think maybe there is a culture at the club between the board and players that successive managers haven't been able to fix?
I think the fault is with every single member of staff, the players and the owners.

But, I’m willing to give the players, who are mostly better than they are presently showing, another chance to prove us all wrong, under different managerial leadership. And the owners have this summer’s window to prove themselves too. The manager can immediately get to fuck though.
 
Conte tells it like it is, I respect that.

He's clearly had enough and is on the way out, in a way he's speaking to us fans, telling us what he sees behind the scenes and some don't like it.

We have a weak mentality and this comes from the top. It's never been about trying to win trophies, it's about increasing our revenue which will make us even more valuable....for the betterment of ENIC and Levy when they inevitably sell the club for a few billion.

He probably should leave now but I'd like him to stay a bit longer, just because of what else he knows and could reveal especially about the odious fuck at the top.

:llorishowudoin:
 
But then this goes against “X player needs to leave as he wants to win something”
Something is defiantly rotten at the club , but let’s take Sheffield for example , why did we start with Son , Richie and Lucas up top, why did we start with Sanchez , Dier and Davies in defence ? How many players who started against Sheffield were still here under poch?
Why didn’t we just go for it from the start ,
Play the team that just beat Chelsea , try and get a bit of a run together?
It all comes down to small margins I guess as we could be sitting here in 3rd place going into the International break still in the FA cup and still in the CL
You're right, wrong side was chosen no question, but it still should have been easily good enough to see off Sheff Utd reserves. I've wanted Conte out for a while because of the quality of football but he's gone now, almost an irrelevance so the spotlight should be turned on others at the club because too many have been swerving criticism for too long.
 
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Looks at the game from yesterday , we go 3-1 up and we decide to dig in , 5/4/1 and just sit back and invite pressure , against the bottom of the league , surely the players don’t decide to do that for themselves?
I agree there are a lot of problems at the club however maybe if Conte wasn’t so stubborn with his subs and formations then we would be looking a lot better.

It's this and a bit of both.

Conte moans constantly. He also picks the players.

Possession of the football means the opposition don't have it but no way should our players relinquish 2 goals to a team who are bottom of the league. Conte sends the wrong message but he should not need to tell the players see the game out safely.

What is wrong is that he fails to blame himself, his choices and whatever else.

It should have been something like

"I apologise to the fans from myself and the players. We should have won the 3 points, I am very angry and need to think what I must do to ensure it does not happen again. We should be better."

Not his anyone but me guv diatribe.
 
Looks at the game from yesterday , we go 3-1 up and we decide to dig in , 5/4/1 and just sit back and invite pressure , against the bottom of the league , surely the players don’t decide to do that for themselves?
I agree there are a lot of problems at the club however maybe if Conte wasn’t so stubborn with his subs and formations then we would be looking a lot better.
Having 2 goals advantage should be enough to close up shop against the bottom side of the league ffs. The players have terrible mentality and they shat the bed as soon as Southampton started to fight hard for every ball.
 
Conte tells it like it is, I respect that.

He's clearly had enough and is on the way out, in a way he's speaking to us fans, telling us what he sees behind the scenes and some don't like it.

We have a weak mentality and this comes from the top. It's never been about trying to win trophies, it's about increasing our revenue which will make us even more valuable....for the betterment of ENIC and Levy when they inevitably sell the club for a few billion.

He probably should leave now but I'd like him to stay a bit longer, just because of what else he knows and could reveal especially about the odious fuck at the top.

:llorishowudoin:
Yes indeed, he is only mirroring what, most of us suspected for a long time.
Not sure where the club goes from here, players and owners outed, a manager who, no longer wants to be here, and a fanbase that is checking out on a weekly basis.
 
Just watched Conte rant again on SSN … he’s not innocent himself but he’s spot on with the whole clubs mentality & we all know where that comes from.
 
The club needs new fucking ownership, people to come in that actually want to compete for trophies.

Levy and ENIC don't give two fucks about silverware.

Here we go again, it's all on the manager, and one or two scapegoat players, everything else is fine, let's spin the wheel and give Levy another chance to fuck things up, another manager to chew and spit out, why the fuck not?!

:contefacepalm:


Klopp or Pep couldn't win trophies with us, that should tell you all you need to know.

I bet you that in Conte's next job he'll win trophies and have a team that fights.
 
Not defending him and obviously want him gone but that Sheff Utd defeat has been happening for 4 years now wherby the team just dont turn up in the cups against lesser opposition. Palace and Colchester under Poch......Norwich, LASK and Zagreb under Mourinho..... Pacos and Vitesse under Nuno.....Mura, Boro and Sheff Utd under Conte. Its a pattern. Most of the players have changed, the managers have changed and yet it continues. Is it because all the players know top 4 is the target? A lazy culture throughout the club? Squad players thinking they can get the manager the sack? No real idea but this wont change by just appointing yet another new manager.

We've beaten lesser teams in various competitions over the years, it doesn't mean much.

One constant at the club yes, but that shouldn't give the managers or the players any excuse, you can't just point to upstairs purely because you can't beat Sheffield United.
 
We've beaten lesser teams in various competitions over the years, it doesn't mean much.

One constant at the club yes, but that shouldn't give the managers or the players any excuse, you can't just point to upstairs purely because you can't beat Sheffield United.
You can if it keeps happening under different managers and players. The manager and players dont have an excuse. Because of that the manager will be sacked and this seasons 'bad apples' will be moved on, just like all the others over the last 2 years. Why should the owners, chairman and board get away with it? Shall we just appoint another lamb to the slaughter and hope it changes?
 
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