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Management Next Manager Poll (poll reset 11/04/23)

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Next Manager

  • Rodgers

    Votes: 15 3.6%
  • Potter

    Votes: 25 5.9%
  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 177 41.9%
  • Kompany

    Votes: 43 10.2%
  • Slot

    Votes: 91 21.6%
  • Postecoglou

    Votes: 74 17.5%
  • De Zerbi

    Votes: 31 7.3%
  • Xabi Alonso

    Votes: 11 2.6%
  • Stellini

    Votes: 4 0.9%
  • Frank

    Votes: 10 2.4%
  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 21 5.0%
  • Zidane

    Votes: 5 1.2%
  • Glasner

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Amorim

    Votes: 10 2.4%
  • Carrick

    Votes: 9 2.1%
  • Gallardo

    Votes: 23 5.5%
  • Schmidt

    Votes: 2 0.5%

  • Total voters
    422
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It does always make me wonder how much our selling problem stems from high wages on the deadwood that other clubs don't want to pay or Levy not wanting to take enough of a loss on a player that's flopped.

Because it feels like other clubs manage to get the shit off their books a wee bit more successfully.

(Of course, it's also downstream from shite purchasing policy as well, so a double dip of incompetence by the club)

Yet a few years ago the media were telling everyone we don’t pay our players enough and it’s a reason they’ll leave. Now we pay them too much, so which approach was the right one? Personally I think they’re all paid far too much. It’s no wonder they lose motivation on that money.
 
It's the ultimate irony. We have tonnes of deadwood earning too much to sell, but refuse to acquire actual talent and pay them what they're worth.
Dier will never leave if he is given a new deal. And if he won't leave, that leaves us in a mess. He will steal a squad space and wage allocation from a potential signing.
We need a proper overhaul now, because even the 'okay' players seem to lack the mentality we need. Ally Gold was tactful enough not to name names but he alluded to a lot of squad players needing to go.

And considering he's usually nice, that stood out to me in his latest video.
 
Yet a few years ago the media were telling everyone we don’t pay our players enough and it’s a reason they’ll leave. Now we pay them too much, so which approach was the right one? Personally I think they’re all paid far too much. It’s no wonder they lose motivation on that money.
Not quite, we pay bottom half players more than what bottom half clubs pay.
We still baulk at signing truly established players and paying them their fair wage.
Players like Dier, Sanchez, Ndombele, Moura, Winks, they're not on enormous money, but they won't get offered it by any club they deserve to be at
 
Yet a few years ago the media were telling everyone we don’t pay our players enough and it’s a reason they’ll leave. Now we pay them too much, so which approach was the right one? Personally I think they’re all paid far too much. It’s no wonder they lose motivation on that money.
I think the pay is less of an issue than taking hits on the transfer fees. Ndombele is an extreme example wage-wise because his drop off was so crazy.

Convinced that deals like the one for Kevin Wimmer (£18m to Stoke. HOW?!) further poisoned Levy's brain into not cutting losses.

 
I'm tired and fed up, but there's plenty of examples of top players moving for low fees and high wages.
But Daniel Greedy can't cope with that.
Half or more of the posters here moan about t cheap transfers for players running their contracts down. You appear to be in the opposite camp.
Schrodinger’s Spurs Fan.
Free transfers are never free and high wages affect the entire structure. Neither of us have any idea about clauses based on other player’s wages. Danny has been notorious about maintaining (one of the) lowest wages / revenue ratios in the EPL. It will go up next year as revenue will go down without UCL football.

Whichever way you look at it, we’ll be at the same level as Woolwich (give or take), about 100m per year less to spend than Liverpool, 200m-250m behind United or City in terms of transfer fees/ wages combined, all other things being equal . I’m leaving Newcastle United and Chelsea out of the equation as I’ve no idea at this point how their new ownerships will affect/,subsidize fees and wages.
Typically, you get what you pay for. It’s why we won’t get (threatened with) relegation and why we won’t compete. We had an up cycle and fell back. Woolwich fell back and are currently on the up. At the end, things will tend towards the norm.
 
Not quite, we pay bottom half players more than what bottom half clubs pay.
We still baulk at signing truly established players and paying them their fair wage.
Players like Dier, Sanchez, Ndombele, Moura, Winks, they're not on enormous money, but they won't get offered it by any club they deserve to be at
Culture of comfort at the club. Useless fuckers love the training ground, the lodge, and living in London.

Why the fuck would they want to leave?

:contefacepalm2:

(And for what it's worth, I think it does reflect on their shit mentality - because some players could get a career refresh if they actually fucked off)
 
Would take virtually any cunt right now
Fucking hell, it's like you're saying his name in a mirror three times

brendan-rodgers.jpg
 
I’ve come to the basic conclusion that we will not go anywhere as a club, until Kane leaves.

I’m not saying we’ll get better. Rather a lot worse, at least in the short term.

But it will force the club to actually do something.

ENIC probably have their head in the sand and are hoping that he will pen an extension this Summer, against all better judgement.
You might be right.

But I'm afraid they'd squander whatever transfer fee we reaped or simply replace him with a couple of mid-table players and our descent would only continue.
 
Anyone giving Greedy credit for manager wages wants to ask themselves how much those wages are Vs what the squad needs.
Conte earned all of £25m over 1.5 seasons.
We needed at least 2 center backs of high quality. We got Lenglet on loan. We probably needed a new no.1. We got Forster on loan and Lloris completely collapsed. We needed a RWB, we signed Spence. We needed to get rid of Ndomebele, Winks, Moura, Sanchez, Dier, Rodon and a few others. They're all still sucking wages.

So paying top dollar for a coach for 18 months to squeeze some blood out of the squad is the cheap way, not the expensive way.

We also signed Romero (CB) and Porro (RB) for a combined £80,000,000....

A centre back who every single person wanted us to sign permanently and a right wing back that everyone was clamoring for us to "JuSt PaY tHe FeE" for on the first of January instead of fucking about haggling.
 

Ironic here that those who dislike/hate Levy mau have no choice but to agree with him here, which of course will pain them..

The joke is on us.

I think Rodgers is good manager who can go no higher and what we are likely to get is a manager who if they do well will disappear to a bigger club but will most likely fail and be the latesr blaming tool against Levy. So boring.

We are completely in a mess and full of delusion. If as reported, which I take with a pinch of salt Levy is against Rodgers, he needs to have a very good other option..
 
We won't pay Brighton the money that they would want for De Zerbi( even though I think he'd jump at the chance). From what I hear Rodgers talked us down one too many time for Levy's liking and burnt a bridge.

We have made it known we want a project manager and one that plays progressive football and is steeped in player development. That's Arne Slot. It just is, now thing is, he probably isn't a big enough name to keep Kane. And its probably playing in to our thinking. ....

But if the fans give him time and we at least attempt to give the bloke say Alex Scott and pick the up a few good young players well...we can't do better than this to my mind. Even though I think Kane leaves and we face some very tricky times
 
I’ve come to the basic conclusion that we will not go anywhere as a club, until Kane leaves.

I’m not saying we’ll get better. Rather a lot worse, at least in the short term.

But it will force the club to actually do something.

ENIC probably have their head in the sand and are hoping that he will pen an extension this Summer, against all better judgement.
That sense of being trapped in stasis is the most exhausting, depressing thing about supporting Spurs at the moment.
 

Ironic here that those who dislike/hate Levy mau have no choice but to agree with him here, which of course will pain them..

The joke is on us.

I think Rodgers is good manager who can go no higher and what we are likely to get is a manager who if they do well will disappear to a bigger club but will most likely fail and be the latesr blaming tool against Levy. So boring.

We are completely in a mess and full of delusion. If as reported, which I take with a pinch of salt Levy is against Rodgers, he needs to have a very good other option..
To be fair, in the case of not hiring a guy that got sacked by a team circling the drain of relegation it feels like even Levy would know better.

:levywtf:

From what I hear Rodgers talked us down one too many time for Levy's liking and burnt a bridge.

Or this. This would be a suitably shit rationale for Levy to come to the correct conclusion. Very him.
 
We won't pay Brighton the money that they would want for De Zerbi( even though I think he'd jump at the chance). From what I hear Rodgers talked us down one too many time for Levy's liking and burnt a bridge.

We have made it known we want a project manager and one that plays progressive football and is steeped in player development. That's Arne Slot. It just is, now thing is, he probably isn't a big enough name to keep Kane. And its probably playing in to our thinking. ....

But if the fans give him time and we at least attempt to give the bloke say Alex Scott and pick the up a few good young players well...we can't do better than this to my mind. Even though I think Kane leaves and we face some very tricky times
Yeah no chance we pay 15m to get DZ and we shouldn’t either.

If JN doesn’t come back into the picture with a new DOF, then it has to be Slot.

Although I’m not sure it’s ever been Kane requesting big name managers. His comments have been about culture at the club, if requested anyone it might be Mason but either way you don’t let star players choose managers, even if it’s Kane.
 
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