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Col_McCafferty said:
It's the same.old shit because Levy and ENIC never change and remain greedy and incompetent and unambitious but apparently that's fine in the eyes of some on here.
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I can read all of that in the ENIC thread — if I want to take it off ignore. It’s not like I haven’t read it a thousand times before. Not an original thought there.

Let me know when you’ve anything mildly interesting to say about the transfer window.
 
Joan Thomas said:
I'm sorry, but I don't see how it is 'poking'

Otherwise it's like going into a match thread and not being allowed to be critical of the players performance. Or going in to a manager thread and not being able to criticise his tactics.

It's all part of the debate. Or at least should be.

I agree the bickering is becoming a bit silly. But, ironically, a lot of it is being caused by people throwing a tantrum at any form of criticism and trying to determine what is and isn't relevant relevant.

If people just let the thread flow and allowed others to post their honest opinions then I think we'd all be happy😊
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The two examples you gave - player performances and tactics - are current, i.e. we tend to talk about performances and tactics of today's match, or at least a recent match, not matches going back years. ;)

So, this is the 'Summer Transfer Thread 2023' - let's discuss what transfers we should or should not make this summer, and leave everything else aside, then it will stop all the bickering that ends up simply replicating what already exists in its own designated thread. (And despite what you say above, clearly people are NOT happy with that happening on this thread, and neither is Admin).
 
Joan Thomas said:
I'm sorry, but I don't see how it is 'poking'

Otherwise it's like going into a match thread and not being allowed to be critical of the players performance. Or going in to a manager thread and not being able to criticise his tactics.

It's all part of the debate. Or at least should be.

I agree the bickering is becoming a bit silly. But, ironically, a lot of it is being caused by people throwing a tantrum at any form of criticism and trying to determine what is and isn't relevant relevant.

If people just let the thread flow and allowed others to post their honest opinions then I think we'd all be happy😊
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Or banging on about spelling
 
Skippa18 said:
They're professional footballers I think most would back themselves to compete at the highest level they can at that moment in time.
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Some do; some don't.....

Depends on the individuals and their motivations..... And as already pointed out; maybe you end up with the guy that's just happy to ride the bench?

Skippa18 said:
Between the 3 of them they should easily rack up 25 -30appearances each in all competitions.
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CB doesn't work that way.....

We have potentially 38 + 2 games this season...... If - as one would hope - a #1 partnership is quickly forged, there will be virtually zero rotation.

Skippa18 said:
I would imagine the player will be getting paid a atleast double what he's on now to soften the blow if they don't start.
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See above...... On deeper inspection is that a mentality that we want to foster?

People complain we have too many such players already.


As I said in my prev. post; we're all united in what we want; but it's folly to close our eyes to external factors just cos they don't suit what we want to see happen.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
What lies? Point to the lie I made in my statement just now.

As for our fanbase, its been battered into submission, There is so much more apathy than a desire to actually work for change.

What will end up happening is people will just vote with their feet rather than protest.

And I know a whole lot of people who aren't renewing.

This is the last chance window for Levy, he needs to show serious ambition now. He made a good start with the deals he got over the line and the money we paid but I just get the same old feeling that its the bare fucking minimum to give the fans the illusion of ambition.

"Here's Maddison, get excited, renew your season tickets etc"

If we don't get bare minimum two top drawer centre backs in, this has been another failed window.

You know it, I know it. So let's cut the crap.
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Again, echoing exactly what I've been saying for weeks now.

You come across as someone who, IF the club do the business we expect them to do, and when I say we I mean ALL of us, then you'd be happy to leave the constant sniping alone and get in with supporting the club.

I wonder if you'll see things through a slightly different lens if that happens, with regard to some of the posters on here.

One thing is for certain, if the club DO do the business, and we have posters on here dishing it out as a result, I'll be telling them to shut up too. The constant antagonisation that happens on here is what is most annoying. It's become more about antagonising posters that individuals dislike.

I really want and expect the club to make this a successful window, so that the club has the best possible chance of success. But equally, I want them to do the business just to at least remove a lot of the bile we see on here daily towards each other.

They won't remove it, as too many are entrenched in their dislike of certain posters to change, but a fairly long respite from it would be nice.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Do we know the players are reluctant to come if we sign other good players?

Not sure I’ve seen any quotes from either VdV or Tapsoba saying that?
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I've not said they don't want to come.......

Come on mate.... You're being needlessly obstinate about this.

Sorry to quote myself, but:

"As I said in my prev. post; we're all united in what we want; but it's folly to close our eyes to external factors just cos they don't suit what we want to see happen."
 
Skippa18 said:
They're professional footballers I think most would back themselves to compete at the highest level they can at that moment in time.

Between the 2 of them they should easily rack up 25 -30 appearances each in all competitions.

I would imagine the player will be getting paid a atleast double what he's on now to soften the blow if they don't start.
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Maximum 50 games if we get through to both finals.
Edit: As we are not in Europe we enter the EFL cup in R2 so we could play 51.
 
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To Dare Is To Do. said:
We should also be buying players who have the mentality that they can force their way into the first XI.
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Yes, that would be preferable.

To Dare Is To Do. said:
I've seen no indication that either VdV or Tapsoba would have an issue with the club signing both of them.
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I know nothing about either of them as individuals.... Nor have I claimed to....

(Come on peeps; there's nothing contentious about what's being said here......)

Re-cap:
- I (and as far as I can see; everyone!) want(s) two good new CBs.
- I see no reason why the club shouldn't strive to make it happen.
- This doesn't mean that some individual players might not fancy what we have to offer this season.
 
scarletjim said:
Genuine question if anyone can be bothered to look it up - how many players have other PL sides signed so far this summer, on average? Are we above or below that average? (Either way I know it's not necessarily telling as there are several weeks left, some transfers take longer than others (for ALL clubs, not just us), etc, but do clubs normally have all their tranfer dealings done by early to mid July? I'd be surprised if they did...).
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To be fair, I can understand the trepidation here. We do have form, so the only way the club are going to appease the cynical is to do the business in a timely manner.

The plain fact of the matter is that we DO need at least 2 CB's, we've identified our 2 prime candidates, and both are interested incoming to us.

Allegedly, we've identified Tapsoba as one who will be huge. If such us the case, and we're quibbling over a few million quid, then any concerns are legitimate. It would be foolish in the extreme to miss out on your top target if they want say £10M more than your evaluation, but that player could be worth at least double that, if he's an integral part of getting you into CL where that £10M is eaten up and then some. Not to mention that, IF he is integral, then his value increases anyway.

If the club are convinced he is going to be huge, there's really no excuse NOT to get the deal done.

We all know that there are around 4 parties that need to align on a deal. By the sounds of it, we already have 2-3 of those sorted out. If the last hurdle is finding a price that both parties can agree on, then the onus sits with us.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if they're not trying to pull our pants down on price, and I've seen nothing to suggest that they are, then maybe we need to accept that a slightly higher price is still a win for us if we get the quality we believe he will end up being.

We've already spent North of £40M on Romero, because we saw his potential. Aren't Tapsoba and VDV the same?
 
Ionman34 said:
To be fair, I can understand the trepidation here. We do have form, so the only way the club are going to appease the cynical is to do the business in a timely manner.

The plain fact of the matter is that we DO need at least 2 CB's, we've identified our 2 prime candidates, and both are interested incoming to us.

Allegedly, we've identified Tapsoba as one who will be huge. If such us the case, and we're quibbling over a few million quid, then any concerns are legitimate. It would be foolish in the extreme to miss out on your top target if they want say £10M more than your evaluation, but that player could be worth at least double that, if he's an integral part of getting you into CL where that £10M is eaten up and then some. Not to mention that, IF he is integral, then his value increases anyway.

If the club are convinced he is going to be huge, there's really no excuse NOT to get the deal done.

We all know that there are around 4 parties that need to align on a deal. By the sounds of it, we already have 2-3 of those sorted out. If the last hurdle is finding a price that both parties can agree on, then the onus sits with us.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if they're not trying to pull our pants down on price, and I've seen nothing to suggest that they are, then maybe we need to accept that a slightly higher price is still a win for us if we get the quality we believe he will end up being.

We've already spent North of £40M on Romero, because we saw his potential. Aren't Tapsoba and VDV the same?
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The only additional 'spanner in the works' that I don't think you've covered above might be if Ange actually prefers VdV to Tapsoba, and we don't want to spoil the VdV deal (which signing Tapsoba too may or may not do, depending on VdV's personal views). If Ange prefers VdV (which of course we don't know), then I can see us signing VdV and Tosin.

IF that is Ange's opinion, and the club ignores him on it, and hence signs Tapsoba but not VdV, then that would be what people keep calling a 'club signing' that ignores what the manager wants...

The problem is always going to be that there are so many bits and pieces and especially opinions (including those of managers and players) that we will never really have sight of...
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
I don't think this been an issue with the CBs we have gone after this summer. Was the case last year with Bastoni, who really loved Inter.
Issue with getting both Tapsoba and VdV unfortunately seems to be budgetary.
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We're not party to agent conversations.... You/I have no idea whether there are conditions to them being open to a move to THFC.

What "indications" do you have that it is budgetary?

It's reasonable to assume that another 70/80m is within budget (esp. with sales forthcoming); though I don't know how much Tapsoba is alleged to cost.
 
Airfixx said:
Neither is Romero if we're honest with ourselves.
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He has the talent though. Watch Vertoghen under AVB, put in some absolutely god awful performances. Give Romero a decent partner instead of calamity defenders next to him and he will be fine.

Problem is we don’t have a leader. Romero is a dog CB, he is a front foot ball winner like Riccardo Calvalho, you need to play a Terry, Adams, King next to him as the last line to balance. But we have Dier. Dier is a hard working professional but just doesn’t have the talent at this level.
 
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