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They weren't "replacements"... They were "squad" players.

(*Winks less so than Sissoko, granted; as Poch loved him and didn't even drop him when we did bring TN & GLC in.... But as I already pointed out Winks was still considered a bit of a player back in 17 & 18.)

Surely you're not of this gymnastic mindset where as soon squad-players are called upon to supplement injury etc. they're no longer to be considered squad players and should suddenly be criticised on the basis of having first XI status.....????

We (eg) bought Aurier to "replace" Walker.
We bought Ndombele to "replace" Dembele.
We bought Vicario to "replace" Lloris.


By your reckoning here we bought Forster to "replace" Lloris just because circumstances led to him having an extended stint in the starting XI.



He suffered a big knee injury (having 2 lengthy spells on the sidelines) and - as I literally just said - when he eventually returned and it was time to prove himself once again in 18/19; he couldn't.... And the squad players (HW & MS) bridged the gap until the summer.

We were still to be considered a damn good team in 17/18 (Let's not pretend otherwise!) and had a good league finish (77 points... 7 points higher than our so-called title challenge in 15/16!) and a good CL run despite playing away from home all season......... Battering Liverpool, Real Madrid & BVB at Wembley and a seriously impressive game away to Juve + reaching an FA Cup semi (which was OUR trophy to win that season and we blew it!).

.........All that despite missing big players from the prev. season for significant spells (Rose, Kane, Wanyama).
Yes squad players who increasingly played more and more to the point they played more than their superior colleagues. It was regression. We'd even sold Dembele 6 months before the CL final without a replacement at the same time as Wanyama had basically become broken. It was piss poor squad management and hurt us.

I never said we weren't a good team in 17/18 but our apex was 16/17 - that is clear as you can see by our points and league position either side of 16/17. And our decline absolutely correlates to all the factors I already described. Key players playing less games, squad players slowly becoming first teamers, aging CBs, poor recruitment or no recruitment (2 windows).

I don't really know what you're disputing, the data is pretty evident. Sure there were other factors but let's have less of the mental gymnastic talk and talk of Forster who I never mentioned and deal with the facts. And Aurier was an example of weakening the first team as he wasn't as good as Walker.

The starting eleven increasingly declined as inferior squad players played more and more and others lost form (Rose, Alli), left (Walker), got old (Jan and Toby), lost focus (Eriksen) . This is absolutely reflected in our performance during that era.

Here are some facts:

Wanyama played in 4 seasons:

36 games 16/17
18
13
2

Dembele:

30 games 16/17
28
10

And remember Dembele rarely played 90 minutes.
And that's a clear example of first team players no longer contributing in the same way or as much and therefore it MUST follow that our squad players gradually become first team players. And that correlates with our points decline because they weren't as good. We were becoming weaker, didn't recruit or recruited badly and let players leave without adequate replacements. It's absolutely clear.
 


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Lol mate. Your quoting your reply to someone else. I'm not disagreeing with you. I replied to your comment about one player might not want to play second fiddle.

There's nothing to prove.

I realise it's taken from my post to someone else.....

I'm just exhausted by the issue (3 or 4 times today I've faced the same questions even though my position is clearly stated in B&W numerous times in the last few pages) and I'm outta gas.
 
Controversial but if he refuses to sign a contract extension this summer then that offer is worth considering, especially if it can be bumped up a bit.

Losing him for nothing in 12 months to a Premier League rival would be dogshit. At least this way we have money to get someone in to compete with Richarlison.
£80m plus reasonable add ons. 2-4 installments, I’d probably bite. But Levy needs Kane to reject the new contract offer before he accepts any bid
 
I think we should accept the Bayern Bid and at the same time make our contract offer and allow Harry to make his decision. If he does not want to be at the club and wants to stat pad a couple of Bundesliga medals he can fuck off. We only want players who want to be here and fight for something.
 
I don't really know what you're disputing, the data is pretty evident. Sure there were other factors but let's have less of the mental gymnastic talk and talk of Forster who I never mentioned and deal with the facts. And Aurier was an example of weakening the first team as he wasn't as good as Walker.

It's not gymnastics at all; but you are sidetracking by bothering to go down the path of whether Walker was better than Aurier.... My point was clearly about how would defines "replacement".

To reiterate; we didn't "replace" MD & VW with Winks & Sissoko.... And that the season 18/19 showed that they couldn't hack it anymore and needed to be replaced.

...And thus they were; by TN & GLC in Summer 19.

Here are some facts:

Wanyama played in 4 seasons:

36 games 16/17
18 <<< 26 games missed due to big knee injury
13 <<< 23 games missed to to further repercussions of above knee injury
2

Which doesn't dispute what I've said....

2 length spells injured and then replaced when it became clear it was over for him.

Dembele:

30 games 16/17
28
10 <<<< Big drop off in appearances

Again; this is entirely in tune with what I said...... In 18/19 his appearance no's dropped off signifying he had to be replaced.

Cue TN & GLC in summer 19.
 
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