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No I just know there are ENIC in posters on here. There are others who I know just pushback as what they view as being extreme or just don't like ENIC out posters, I could name them as well. But there are ENIC in posters on here.

No idea if you're one of them, haven't seen enough of your posts. And btw, I'm not saying this as an insult to them .. if you're ENIC in that's fine, it's their opinion. I find the denial of their existence really weird though.

You may have seen it as you're here a lot longer than I am. I haven't seen much of ENIC in, but as I said, I get why 'defending' them comes across as such.

My stance is that I want to compete every season and enjoy watching us play. I want owners who can provide that. ENIC provided that to me for a number of years, and have, for the last 4, not. I want a new direction and to watch good football and if ENIC can't provide that I want someone else who does.
 
If you spend everyday on this website defending ENIC then you’re ENIC-in.

This isn’t WW2 and you’re not Switzerland.

Neutrality isn’t a thing.

And, for the record, as Deuterz Deuterz said, that’s absolutely fine. I agree with certain points and they’re likely correct on many things. But you can’t then turn around and say ‘oh, I don’t really support them’.
 
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Clive Allen and Linekar and Graham Roberts … and Hoddle and Waddle and Crooks.

Were they under Sugar?
Graham Roberts was hardly a star, solid committed defender but that was all , Hoddle was allowed to go to Monaco as a thank you . Crooks was not the star , it was Archibald who admittedly we let go to Barca . Lineker was finished , he went to Japan . Allen had an amazing season but never hit those heights again . Waddle I will concede was terrible business.

I am glad you have gone way back , because if you are going to do that we smashed the UK transfer record to buy Greaves and Gazza .

When has Levy shown that kind of ambition or even close to it



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I thought I would save you having to Google it , as you would draw a blank
 
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That's just not the truth though. I can name multiple posters who are 100% ENIC in, why are we pretending otherwise? They will quote the owners, post 500 charts defending them, claim they have done far more than good for the club but they're not ENIC in?

People voted ENIC in for a fucking poll. How much more ENIC in can you get? You're acting like there's only two camps (ambivalent and out) and it just isn't true at all. There are dedicated ENIC in posters on here who believe these owners are good for the club overall. They'll probably even admit it to you if you ask nicely.
Voted Enic in out of a binary option does not tell the whole story either.

Maybe some are totally Enic in but I very much doubt it.

You, as a levy outer, can legitimately ask would I prefer owners who invest their own money in the team.
To which my answer would be undoubtedly "Yes".

I can also legitimately ask you, what if the new owners were worse and took money out of the club, would you prefer Enic ?

No Enic outer ever seems to consider this as an option, and asking the question or saying "in that case Enic would be better" does not make someone automatically Enic out.

Zomb , for example, is ok with Enic owning the club, but hates Levy.
This does not make him Enic in.
 
Voted Enic in out of a binary option does not tell the whole story either.

Maybe some are totally Enic in but I very much doubt it.

You, as a levy outer, can legitimately ask would I prefer owners who invest their own money in the team.
To which my answer would be undoubtedly "Yes".

I can also legitimately ask you, what if the new owners were worse and took money out of the club, would you prefer Enic ?

No Enic outer ever seems to consider this as an option, and asking the question or saying "in that case Enic would be better" does not make someone automatically Enic out.

[USER=15485]Zomb[/USER] , for example, is ok with Enic owning the club, but hates Levy.
This does not make him Enic in.

What would ENIC be as owners without Levy?

I don't understand that as a position.

Levy is the ENIC representative for the club.
 
What would ENIC be as owners without Levy?

I don't understand that as a position.

Levy is the ENIC representative for the club.
You'll have to ask Zomb that question.

As I understand it, he is ok with Enic not investing in the club and having the club self sufficient.
He believes that Levy is a buffoon and having the same owners but a more competent CEO would see us in a much better position.
 
You'll have to ask Zomb that question.

As I understand it, he is ok with Enic not investing in the club and having the club self sufficient.
He believes that Levy is a buffoon and having the same owners but a more competent CEO would see us in a much better position.
exactly that

Or levy sells his stake to Lewis who employs a CEO

I would prefer a more proactive and bullish owner than Lewis tbh but he’s not hampering us Levy like is
 
Graham Roberts was hardly a star, solid committed defender but that was all , Hoddle was allowed to go to Monaco as a thank you . Crooks was not the star , it was Archibald who admittedly we let go to Barca . Lineker was finished , he went to Japan . Allen had an amazing season but never hit those heights again . Waddle I will concede was terrible business.

I am glad you have gone way back , because if you are going to do that we smashed the UK transfer record to buy Greaves and Gazza .

When has Levy shown that kind of ambition or even close to it



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American Housewife No GIF by ABC Network



I thought I would save you having to Google it , as you would draw a blank
And Chivers.
 
levy hangs onto players for too long whether they want away or are past their best. It backfires regularly.
The one player he let go 6 months too soon was Dembele. I maintain to this day that as shot to bits as he was, if we’d have wrapped him in cotton wool and rolled him out for the biggest games, we’d have a CL trophy in the cabinet. The man was a big game player.
A fresh and fit Dembele runs that game against the dippers
 
Show me a post of someone arguing for ENIC in? Seriously, I'd love to see anyone on here that has been arguing specifically for ENIC to remain our owners.

You’re relatively new here. But almost every year there is a Levy / ENIC in out poll.

That poll has never been 100% ENIC out. Which you would expect if absolutely nobody wanted them to stay.

There are plenty on here who are pro levy / ENIC. At some points it was the majority.
 
I feel it is genuinely sad to see what is happening at Tottenham.

Board level decisions took Spurs to 8th last season. The last 10 games of the season were disgustingly embarrassing 🙈

After the manager walked how he did, there should have been no hiding places when those results followed.

But here we are, three weeks to go and nothing really major has happened to give us a sense that they absolutely won’t tolerate anymore bollocks. There are players who stunk the place up against AS Mura who are still here, still starting. WTF 🤬

The reaction to the shocks of last season ( and previously ) have not been enough of a jolt to create a fight back. It’s feeling like the the absolute minimum is being done to stand still, or worse stay up.

I like Ange, I want him to do well, but he’s hobbled from the start here. He shouldn’t have been lumbered with the same deadwood that saw off four other coaches, and he must see them building hotels and wondering how much of his transfer budget is spent on the express lifts.

We are more likely by the day to have to have some combination of Dier, Sanchez and Davies in and around the squad in three weeks time.

The problem with anyone of these tits is that they were back up players when they were in their prime ! They now start games. They can perform with ineptitude time and again, there is no consequence for failure at Spurs, just a focus on the player write downs and length of contracts.

All those players should have been gone. No ifs or butts. Gone. End of.

Add in Ange has a Captain that wants to leave. But is inexplicably still there ( Why on earth is he still here )

The second senior leader / Captain, voice in the dressing room and arguably best player ever has is one foot out the door. Fair enough if he wants to go, but for goodness sake save the managers blushes and replace him from a position of strength. Not desperately squeeze a small sum extra and end up with the modern day super Pav running about a bit.

At this rate we will sell Kane for £100m and try to pay £60m for Calvert Lewin and end up with Ings on loan.

What boardroom allows these things to be happening ?
.
Director of Football still no hint of one. Scott Munn. What an embarrassing situation that proved to be.

And Dead Hand Dan has more control than at any point recently, months after the claims were made that he was finally stepping back.

Fucking shambles of a club. Overseen by an Obtuse ownership.
 
I feel it is genuinely sad to see what is happening at Tottenham.

Board level decisions took Spurs to 8th last season. The last 10 games of the season were disgustingly embarrassing 🙈

After the manager walked how he did, there should have been no hiding places when those results followed.

But here we are, three weeks to go and nothing really major has happened to give us a sense that they absolutely won’t tolerate anymore bollocks. There are players who stunk the place up against AS Mura who are still here, still starting. WTF 🤬

The reaction to the shocks of last season ( and previously ) have not been enough of a jolt to create a fight back. It’s feeling like the the absolute minimum is being done to stand still, or worse stay up.

I like Ange, I want him to do well, but he’s hobbled from the start here. He shouldn’t have been lumbered with the same deadwood that saw off four other coaches, and he must see them building hotels and wondering how much of his transfer budget is spent on the express lifts.

We are more likely by the day to have to have some combination of Dier, Sanchez and Davies in and around the squad in three weeks time.

The problem with anyone of these tits is that they were back up players when they were in their prime ! They now start games. They can perform with ineptitude time and again, there is no consequence for failure at Spurs, just a focus on the player write downs and length of contracts.

All those players should have been gone. No ifs or butts. Gone. End of.

Add in Ange has a Captain that wants to leave. But is inexplicably still there ( Why on earth is he still here )

The second senior leader / Captain, voice in the dressing room and arguably best player ever has is one foot out the door. Fair enough if he wants to go, but for goodness sake save the managers blushes and replace him from a position of strength. Not desperately squeeze a small sum extra and end up with the modern day super Pav running about a bit.

At this rate we will sell Kane for £100m and try to pay £60m for Calvert Lewin and end up with Ings on loan.

What boardroom allows these things to be happening ?
.
Director of Football still no hint of one. Scott Munn. What an embarrassing situation that proved to be.

And Dead Hand Dan has more control than at any point recently, months after the claims were made that he was finally stepping back.

Fucking shambles of a club. Overseen by an Obtuse ownership.
But sugar tho ....
 
Graham Roberts was hardly a star, solid committed defender but that was all , Hoddle was allowed to go to Monaco as a thank you . Crooks was not the star , it was Archibald who admittedly we let go to Barca . Lineker was finished , he went to Japan . Allen had an amazing season but never hit those heights again . Waddle I will concede was terrible business.

I am glad you have gone way back , because if you are going to do that we smashed the UK transfer record to buy Greaves and Gazza .

When has Levy shown that kind of ambition or even close to it



EDIT :

American Housewife No GIF by ABC Network



I thought I would save you having to Google it , as you would draw a blank

Yep Hoddle wanted to play European football as English clubs had been banned.

Also on a more personal level said he wanted to play in a league that appreciated his style of play.
 
You’re relatively new here. But almost every year there is a Levy / ENIC in out poll.

That poll has never been 100% ENIC out. Which you would expect if absolutely nobody wanted them to stay.

There are plenty on here who are pro levy / ENIC. At some points it was the majority.
I’d say most of those people are “anti enic out” rather than “Enic in”. That sounds like splitting hairs but it’s more a rejection of the unfair criticism of their leadership than it is a love of them.
 
I feel it is genuinely sad to see what is happening at Tottenham.

Board level decisions took Spurs to 8th last season. The last 10 games of the season were disgustingly embarrassing 🙈

After the manager walked how he did, there should have been no hiding places when those results followed.

But here we are, three weeks to go and nothing really major has happened to give us a sense that they absolutely won’t tolerate anymore bollocks. There are players who stunk the place up against AS Mura who are still here, still starting. WTF 🤬

The reaction to the shocks of last season ( and previously ) have not been enough of a jolt to create a fight back. It’s feeling like the the absolute minimum is being done to stand still, or worse stay up.

I like Ange, I want him to do well, but he’s hobbled from the start here. He shouldn’t have been lumbered with the same deadwood that saw off four other coaches, and he must see them building hotels and wondering how much of his transfer budget is spent on the express lifts.

We are more likely by the day to have to have some combination of Dier, Sanchez and Davies in and around the squad in three weeks time.

The problem with anyone of these tits is that they were back up players when they were in their prime ! They now start games. They can perform with ineptitude time and again, there is no consequence for failure at Spurs, just a focus on the player write downs and length of contracts.

All those players should have been gone. No ifs or butts. Gone. End of.

Add in Ange has a Captain that wants to leave. But is inexplicably still there ( Why on earth is he still here )

The second senior leader / Captain, voice in the dressing room and arguably best player ever has is one foot out the door. Fair enough if he wants to go, but for goodness sake save the managers blushes and replace him from a position of strength. Not desperately squeeze a small sum extra and end up with the modern day super Pav running about a bit.

At this rate we will sell Kane for £100m and try to pay £60m for Calvert Lewin and end up with Ings on loan.

What boardroom allows these things to be happening ?
.
Director of Football still no hint of one. Scott Munn. What an embarrassing situation that proved to be.

And Dead Hand Dan has more control than at any point recently, months after the claims were made that he was finally stepping back.

Fucking shambles of a club. Overseen by an Obtuse ownership.

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Graham Roberts was hardly a star, solid committed defender but that was all , Hoddle was allowed to go to Monaco as a thank you . Crooks was not the star , it was Archibald who admittedly we let go to Barca . Lineker was finished , he went to Japan . Allen had an amazing season but never hit those heights again . Waddle I will concede was terrible business.

I am glad you have gone way back , because if you are going to do that we smashed the UK transfer record to buy Greaves and Gazza .

When has Levy shown that kind of ambition or even close to it



EDIT :

American Housewife No GIF by ABC Network



I thought I would save you having to Google it , as you would draw a blank

Too young to appreciate Gazza purchase. But fucking hell that must have been mental like Tottenham today buying Mbappe or Bellingham.
 
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