So in hindsight, you agree we should have thrown an extra 10M to get it done and we fucked up?Thanks for your hindsight. Unfortunately decisions are made in real time.
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So in hindsight, you agree we should have thrown an extra 10M to get it done and we fucked up?Thanks for your hindsight. Unfortunately decisions are made in real time.
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Of course. We should also have signed Mbappé as a 15 year old. What is this silly game?So in hindsight, you agree we should have thrown an extra 10M to get it done and we fucked up?
We weren’t negotiating for a 15 year old Mbappe, we were in for Hazrad and the manager wanted him. We didn’t pay what what was needed and he went Chelsea 6 months later, won the PL twice and was sold for x3 what they paidOf course. We should also have signed Mbappé as a 15 year old. What is this silly game?
To your other post…You want us to overspend on certain players sometimes. How do you know the players worth overspending on in real time?
I never said that at all learn to read. I used the rice transfer as an example to pay a little over the odds to get the payer you need/want.
I also said the same about VVD and Alison but you don’t keep quoting that do you?
American Soccer Hipsters aren't worth what you think they are. Practically everyone who has ever bet on them has lost - ratings aren't what the optimistic take routinely suggests. Everyone thinks they're going to grind casuals into consistent viewers - that's where the US audience becomes immensely valuable. But US casual fans don't know where the fuck Burnley is, it doesn't matter what Kompany's current squad looks like. Atletico, however, is familiar and sounds exotic. They've won big trophies recently, sign players Danny Rose wouldn't have to google, and play in a global cultural capital people fancy visiting.I plead 100% guilty as charged.
Guess what, American Soccer Hipsters are worth a lot of money to the European game.
But even that notwithstanding, national domestic leagues with promotion and relegation and the decades of history and embedded cultural meaning are a product unto themselves, just smashing the clubs together like they're Marvel action figures is simply not the same thing and if Florentino Perez and MBS and Apple think the marketplace will treat that as the same thing they're going to lose their shirts, IMO.
I get less and less interested in the Champions League every year, Spurs involved or not.
What's true at the Hollywood box office will be true in college football and will be true in the European Super League: cynical, charmless entertainment products will not have their stink go unnoticed by the audience and will be worth less than the sum of their parts.
(Sidebar: those are bad examples. Kompany's Burnley is an objectively better watch than Simeone's Atletico)
Bloke literally spent several posts arguing that it was fine to pay 100m for a 50m player.
Apparently if that seems like a flawed idea then you've been brainwashed by Levy.![]()
Th very first thing I asked you was to name the "top ST" that you wanted.... You bottled it with whimpering "I'm not a scout".... As if the world's top STs are some kind of obscure proposition.
Then you said it was ok for Spurs to spend 50m on a 100m and then chased your tail in trying to make that make sense.
Look, I'm not keen to revsit that convo cos it proved a massive waste of time, but balls to you playing the whole thing off like you were the voice of sense and reason and I was quoting Levy rhetoric...... MASSIVE balls to that.
That might be the case in Nashville. It’s certainly not the case in New York.American Soccer Hipsters aren't worth what you think they are. Practically everyone who has ever bet on them has lost - ratings aren't what the optimistic take routinely suggests. Everyone thinks they're going to grind casuals into consistent viewers - that's where the US audience becomes immensely valuable. But US casual fans don't know where the fuck Burnley is, it doesn't matter what Kompany's current squad looks like. Atletico, however, is familiar and sounds exotic. They've won big trophies recently, sign players Danny Rose wouldn't have to google, and play in a global cultural capital people fancy visiting.
Drop the bullshit.
YOU literally typed those 2 numbers into your keyboard and hit send when YOU were describing the Rice deal..............
That you call that a "little over" is what makes your position not just flawed, but ludicrous....
How much did Liverpool "overpay" on each of those 2 then?
...And when you're done; stop being a pussy and name the "top striker" you want us to sign.
.........Basically get real.
Maths. Not 'math'Rough math says each NFL game is worth 18.8m to each team. 320m a season.
Short term.Bollox, mosts primary goal is to stay in business for another year, with winning something a far off aspiration.
Not even a sniff of an outgoing.
Ultimate is not primary - what I quotedShort term.
Ultimate goal for every club is to try and win.
That’s 100% the goal for Spurs
This kind disintegrates into categorizing various types of fans which isn't worth our time. I do think you're overrating the prominence of Atletico. Real and Barca have an undeniable cultural cache, at a little bit lesser level you get to the PSG's and Bayern's of the world, but as I said before THE PREMIER LEAGUE is a very strong and identifiable brand in its own right, containing more clubs with intense US followings than the rest of Europe combined.American Soccer Hipsters aren't worth what you think they are. Practically everyone who has ever bet on them has lost - ratings aren't what the optimistic take routinely suggests. Everyone thinks they're going to grind casuals into consistent viewers - that's where the US audience becomes immensely valuable. But US casual fans don't know where the fuck Burnley is, it doesn't matter what Kompany's current squad looks like. Atletico, however, is familiar and sounds exotic. They've won big trophies recently, sign players Danny Rose wouldn't have to google, and play in a global cultural capital people fancy visiting.
Rapidly decreasingly so. And Marvel is doing better than DC or Star Wars. The economics of franchise schlock have collapsed. The audience have gotten wise that they're the suckers here.Speaking of bad examples, digging out the Marvel films as some sort of failure crystalizes why you're struggling to see the inevitability of the ESL. I'm not a fan of the Marvel films, myself, but they've been an unabashed financial goldmine.
The NFL never destroyed a pre-existing culturally beloved institution to get to its current unassailable heights. It got there by BEING a pre-existing culturally beloved institution.The reason it's inevitable was pointed out in my previous post. One of the least successful teams in the NFL, a niche sport, is worth double one of global football's most successful clubs over the past 20 years. If you really think the people that own these clubs are happy to accept that in the interest of preserving tradition, or that they'll theirsupporterscustomers tell them they have to accept it, you don't pay as much attention to the world as all your other intelligent takes of eco-politics indicates.
I'm not really sure what your point is, as you've managed to name only clubs that would be included in any ESL?That might be the case in Nashville. It’s certainly not the case in New York.
A massive team like Bayern share a venue with a bunch of other continental teams whereas Tottenham packs out its own pub week in and out, Liverpool will pack out multiple venues. I see EPL shirts every day. The only rivals are Barca and Real through their Spanish speaking supporters.
This is the post you quotedThat’s the truth.
Ultimate goal for every sports team is to win trophies
My point is more that these ‘massive European clubs’ aren’t exactly massive here.I'm not really sure what your point is, as you've managed to name only clubs that would be included in any ESL?
Where's the NYC Burnley Supporters pub? How packed does it get? The club doesn't list a recognized supporters group outside of England.
Everton has a more dedicated US following than Atletico does, no question.My point is more that these ‘massive European clubs’ aren’t exactly massive here.