€30m + Lo Celso would be interesting, perhaps.
Then, I think of our medics…
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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)
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Then, I think of our medics…
Got to be something in the lenglet thing coming black to us. Him getting a club has dragged on to long now so must be pushing for us.Also I think kulu was a bad a bad idea this year making his move permanent I don't think he's going to be as good as people think very average to me .Hope I'm proved wrong
At least it gives the defenders something else to do, and if they get around the outside, we get different angled crosses into the box. It's not idea, but it's better than nothing
Curious to know as to why you're more concerned about Bissouma than Bentancur. I personally think Bentancur is the bigger question mark after his injury.
As for striker, I can easily be swayed to forgo one in lieu of another winger that might be more suited to Ange's style of play. Either way, tend to agree that we need at least another CB and CM if Hojberg goes.
dont see how angie would ok that move, he's slower than ben davies.
Honestly,there’s no chance anyone will be in this week now.
How much fcuking talking is needed. That's our by word as a club.
In talks...
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That's what makes it even more backwards, to stand a chance of optimising their income streams they have to be getting into Europe, and obviously the spending spree is designed to get into Europe too as that's the most obvious measure of success alongside trophies (which bring Europe anyway).
So if they're not getting into European competition then this spend has failed essentially, not even considering the financial necessity for it.
And yet, this splurge does not fall in line with the rules of the European competitions that they're doing it to get into... seems like a case of not just shooting yourself in the foot, but blowing your entire lower leg off with a shotgun.
I'd laugh so much if after spending all this money to get back amongst it in the CL, they qualify and are immediately told to fuck off by Uefa and expelled from the competition, thus unable to keep up on their payments, falling into administration and finally (FUCKING FINALLY) expelled from the league and wound up entirely.
Fati with no knee might actually see them less than Lo Celso during the season….
Think we are hoping Tosin has a change of heart and if he doesn't we get Lenglet.
Or out.
Another week of dithering from our dear leader. His royal baldness the supreme.
Ansu Fati eh?
Prone to injuries, inconsistency and over-elaboration.
I'd give it three games for those who are howling at Levy for never splurging out to start howling at Levy for splurging out.
Prone to injuries, inconsistency and over-elaboration.
I'd give it three games for those who are howling at Levy for never splurging out to start howling at Levy for splurging out.
I don't know why we haven't bid for Orban if that's really who we're after?
Sorry but this is extremely naive and overly simplistic. In 'real life', trophies are actually pretty much irrelevant for the vast majority of clubs, so it might be more wise to say that the primary sports-related* goal for any club is to exceed it's expectations of footballing success over the medium to long term (or at least something like that).
Why do I say 'exceed expectations' rather than 'win trophies'? Well, surely the sports-related target of the management should be to do better than expected, or maybe better than resources would suggest is possible. Hence if Man City win the PL this season and Luton finish 2nd, surely we'd all agree that Luton deserve more congratulations than Man City, they would have had more relative 'success' when you factor in the context. Well that's the way I see it anyway - you're welcome to disagree and say that you'd think City more deserving of praise in that scenario if you wish, that's your prerogative - but I suspect most would say Luton had been more successful there.
Why do I say 'medium to long term'? Well, any team with a bit of good form and/or good luck can have a good season or a good cup run - a bit like with investing, there will always be short-term ups and downs - but it doesn't really make sense to judge the management's overall tenure on a single season.
What's my point here? Well, Levy will be trying to balance financial success with footballing success. He may not always do it well, but that is surely what he will be trying to do. Hence, going back to the origin of this conversation, he will naturally want to get good value for money when buying players, as would any business buying any asset. Yes you might sometimes pay over the market price, but only if you were confident that the asset would have some attribute that you could exploit better than others, thereby still making it good value for you. If it was only about 'winning trophies' - i.e. if money was irrelevant - then yes he should spend £500m on the best player - but money isn't irrelevant, it is both relevant and finite, so Levy will do whatever he thinks right in terms of investing in the football side at a level he believes will also ultimately benefit the business side. Does he always get that right? Of course not, no one does - but that is what he will always be trying to do, and should be trying to do.
So for me, even we do buy a player for £150m, we should only be doing so if we consider that to be 'good value' for us.
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* I say 'sports-related' as, whether you or other football romantics like it or not, football clubs are businesses, and for many of them, the owners if they are honest are more interested in growing the value of their asset than footballing success. Now of course the latter may assist the former, but that's not the point - the point is that owners might well consider asset value as more important than footballing success, and it would be wise for fans to remember that. This of course is the owners' right - contrary to what many fans seem to think, the owners by definition own the club as an asset, hence within reason and law, they can run it however they wish, focus on whatever they want etc. That is their right earned by achieving sufficient wealth to purchase the asset. If you have or save up enough money, you can do the same.
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They want to sell players before bringing any in and Levy is fine with that even if it means missing out on top targets.
I've always wondered if getting the new signings in would provide some kind of motivation for these unwanted players (and their agents) to find moves away. Unfortunately some seem happy to simply cash their pay cheques.
Is this particular to us, or are other clubs also constipated in their recruitment when having difficulty shifting deadwood?
Thank god you didn't accidentally type 'sauce'... :/
Because of either two things. We won’t pay the £30 million they want or we aren’t even in for him and it’s just the usual made up shit we read on a weekly basis.
Spurs primary should be winning things if we are honestly about being a football club.Sorry but this is extremely naive and overly simplistic. In 'real life', trophies are actually pretty much irrelevant for the vast majority of clubs, so it might be more wise to say that the primary sports-related* goal for any club is to exceed it's expectations of footballing success over the medium to long term (or at least something like that).
Why do I say 'exceed expectations' rather than 'win trophies'? Well, surely the sports-related target of the management should be to do better than expected, or maybe better than resources would suggest is possible. Hence if Man City win the PL this season and Luton finish 2nd, surely we'd all agree that Luton deserve more congratulations than Man City, they would have had more relative 'success' when you factor in the context. Well that's the way I see it anyway - you're welcome to disagree and say that you'd think City more deserving of praise in that scenario if you wish, that's your prerogative - but I suspect most would say Luton had been more successful there.
Why do I say 'medium to long term'? Well, any team with a bit of good form and/or good luck can have a good season or a good cup run - a bit like with investing, there will always be short-term ups and downs - but it doesn't really make sense to judge the management's overall tenure on a single season.
What's my point here? Well, Levy will be trying to balance financial success with footballing success. He may not always do it well, but that is surely what he will be trying to do. Hence, going back to the origin of this conversation, he will naturally want to get good value for money when buying players, as would any business buying any asset. Yes you might sometimes pay over the market price, but only if you were confident that the asset would have some attribute that you could exploit better than others, thereby still making it good value for you. If it was only about 'winning trophies' - i.e. if money was irrelevant - then yes he should spend £500m on the best player - but money isn't irrelevant, it is both relevant and finite, so Levy will do whatever he thinks right in terms of investing in the football side at a level he believes will also ultimately benefit the business side. Does he always get that right? Of course not, no one does - but that is what he will always be trying to do, and should be trying to do.
So for me, even we do buy a player for £150m, we should only be doing so if we consider that to be 'good value' for us.
Side-note:
* I say 'sports-related' as, whether you or other football romantics like it or not, football clubs are businesses, and for many of them, the owners if they are honest are more interested in growing the value of their asset than footballing success. Now of course the latter may assist the former, but that's not the point - the point is that owners might well consider asset value as more important than footballing success, and it would be wise for fans to remember that. This of course is the owners' right - contrary to what many fans seem to think, the owners by definition own the clb as an asset, hence within reason and law, they can run it however they wish, focus on whatever they want etc. That is their right earned by achieving sufficient wealth to purchase the asset. If you have or save up enough money, you can do the same.
We all suspect that Levy/ENIC don’t have winning things as their primary target. In fact, their actions pretty much evidence that winning isn’t their primary target.