What does that even mean though?
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What does that even mean though?
Shows how massive the impact is he's made since arriving at Spurs.
people assume that 3 at the back means Contes style, defensive football. It’s nonsense and similar to saying a back 4 means Jose defensive football. We are so fluid and attacking that starting formations matters little. We will get players forward and create chances, unlike Conte (back 3) or Jose (back 4)
Didn't we have our best ever season playing 3 at the back under Poch?
Regardless, people are suggesting 3 at the back now, purely because we just signed a 3rd CB that is good enough to start. Without realizing that 3 ATB would mean we need another 2 CBs that are good enough to start.
It's like there is a set of Spurs fans that are allergic to squad depth and have been indoctrinated to believe we can only ever have 11 good players.
Yeah I don't think we should use it anyway, my question is why wouldn't it work?
There isn't a reason any formation wouldn't work.
The way we have played this season is very much based on controlling possession and beating presses with our FB's either inverted or wide and the 8 stepping into the box shape. If we play with 3 atb and the Wbs playing like wingers then we'd need a completely new set of structures in build-up to beat presses.
It also makes a spare part out of one of the CBs as the roles dovetail very well atm.
None of that means it couldn't work but it would mean we'd need to play a completely different type of football.
Also, which position are we changing further up the pitch? And are we really playing with wing backs?
I think so, yeah. I’m not against a back 3 but plenty are
Generally speaking, not a fan of 3CB structures/systems. I very much like 433 structures. I particularly like the way Ange does it with FB's who play football in midfield.
I don't hate it so much if it's used proactively - Poch made a pretty good fist of it in 2016/17 with his 3421, Nagelsmann's 3421 at RBL were good, Alonso's doing something similar (3421) this season with Leverkusen, Inzaghi's 352 aren't awful - but I much prefer variations of the 433.
I think CB's are generally the least technically proficient footballers on the pitch, there's nearly always a technical and numerical football trade off somewhere, for a bit of security.
I feel the same about double pivot midfields. It's so hard to find two midfielders rounded enough to cover all the facets/ground that there's nearly always a trade off. 3cb plus dp can be a real double whammy (see Conte spurs)
If you can find good parts for the structure then anything can work and be good. I just like football that is controlled through midfield, but has some bravery and risk.
Certainly doable with Romero back there.
That pass, basically from his own end line, that started the move for Bentancur’s goal took out United’s front 6
It can be a fantastic formation if you have the right players for it. The pace of Walker in particular and Rose, it was very hard to defend against. Now that so many of the PL pitches are well above min size then there's more space for a speed merchant like KW to get behind the oppo.
Anyway, on balance I'd prefer Ange. As long as we can get a big enough squad to handle the pinged hamstring of course
That's the big aversion for me.... Unless you have a god-level ball magnet like Dembele (or a superhuman ball-hunter like prime Kante), the oppo run rings around you most weekends. A return to that so soon after ditching Conte & Nuno would kill me
To be fair, there is a time and place for it.
We moved to a double pivot against City for example and it helped change the game.
Every formation can flow and will flow into every formation while in possession of the ball. Even more so with how we play when we dominate most games. If you sit high up you will notice that we start with
4- 1-2-3 which quickly becomes 2-1-2-2-3. Two full backs go in the pitch in front of our 6,our two 8s push forward and madders when playing drifts from left to central and 3 up front. That is one of the many different ways the team moves. It’s brilliant to watch and very innovative but the only way you can play that ways is to have players comfortable to take the ball and play a high risk game. The two most important players are the centre backs because the timing of their passes to open the game up whether that’s into midfield,hit the front players or play wide is vital for it to work. You see the difference immediately when Romero plays and it went up again on Sunday with VDV back in the team. The drop off in that when Royal and Davies played is massive and that’s why we didn’t play as well or are as fluent when they two started games.
I love watching us now because it’s so interesting as well as being very entertaining.
4- 1-2-3 which quickly becomes 2-1-2-2-3. Two full backs go in the pitch in front of our 6,our two 8s push forward and madders when playing drifts from left to central and 3 up front. That is one of the many different ways the team moves. It’s brilliant to watch and very innovative but the only way you can play that ways is to have players comfortable to take the ball and play a high risk game. The two most important players are the centre backs because the timing of their passes to open the game up whether that’s into midfield,hit the front players or play wide is vital for it to work. You see the difference immediately when Romero plays and it went up again on Sunday with VDV back in the team. The drop off in that when Royal and Davies played is massive and that’s why we didn’t play as well or are as fluent when they two started games.
I love watching us now because it’s so interesting as well as being very entertaining.
But we still had a 3-man MF........ It's the 2 man MF that I'm scarred by.
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Indeed indeed
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Well, on paper yes.
But there can't be many teams out there who play a double pivot without a 3rd player there. Who even plays 442 anymore ?