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Ally Gold or POK (can't remember which one, think it was Ally) said Paratici was shocked at how bad the academy was when he first came in and vowed to fix it transforming it from top to bottom.

It needed a really good shake up throughout - from wages levels, recruitment practices, coaching staff and pretty much everything. I still think more needs doing but its changed hugely over last 2 or 3 years
 
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It wasn't 'under Redknapp' as such, he just happened to be manager at the time, the academy was run really well by Alex Inglethorpe who was here from 2006-2012, he eventually moved to Liverpool which was a big loss.

I'm talking about loans out during that specific period. The likes of Kane, Townsend, Caulker, Mason etc who all needed the experience.

Pretty sure Sherwood was in charge of that side of things and he was brought in by Redknapp.
 
I thought he had worked his way up to head of the academy by the time he had left

No, John McDermott was head of the academy throughout Alex time at Spurs, and after McDermott left it was Dean Rastrick.

But we had 2 or 3 very able youth coaches of who Inglethorpe was one and I think he led several youth groups to tournaments etc without a need for McDermott to oversee. A great loss when he did go to Liverpool where he was originally u21 manager before becoming their Head of Academy.
 
No, John McDermott was head of the academy throughout Alex time at Spurs, and after McDermott left it was Dean Rastrick.

But we had 2 or 3 very able youth coaches of who Inglethorpe was one and I think he led several youth groups to tournaments etc without a need for McDermott to oversee. A great loss when he did go to Liverpool where he was originally u21 manager before becoming their Head of Academy.

Yeah, having had a quick look online it seems it is McDermott who i should have been referring to for this discussion rather than Inglethorpe.
 
I've seen Josh fucking Onomah mentioned multiple times today.

You do realise he's 26 and hasn't had club since last summer?
Fulham let him go in January 2023 having no played for ages.

He, like so many kids, get seen by fans playing kids football and think they're ready for the PL.
And not just the PL, but a top 6 PL team with ambitions to be in the CL every season.

It does not matter if a kid looks good in the kids league. There's been very few players to leave Spurs academy that have proven anyone wrong. Edwards is Portugal. He's 25 years old, he is no longer a young prospect, he's probably at his level. Madueke, we'll see, but he's not exactly showing he's a start in the making yet.

The homegrown and club trained rules are fucking pathetic. Most teams just pick 4 players from the academy to sit in the team bus and rarely make the match day squad just because they're obliged to.
It's not helping the national team.

From the last 21 man England squad, only about 4 players were still at the club they started at as a youth. So clubs are being told they must have 4 academy/CT players in their 25 man squad but for the most part, those players won't play and effectively can't leave.

I don't really have a problem with home grown rules so much. I think it gives each league a character if the spine of every team is from that country. But the CT thing bugs me. 2 max.

It's also a little counter productive for teams with less resources. They may not have the facilities to bring kids through, but also, may really depend on the income of selling them just to exist. I'd even argue we were once, not that long ago, a team that used development and sales to stabilise our finances and move forward.
 
Don't forget Spurs lost a number of its top youth players because of its failing to develop players

The best known of those players probably Noni Madueke

And other youth players started to avoid signing for Spurs and went elsewhere.

So in a nut shell, getting a reputation for poor youth player development means you increasingly have poorer players joining and the job becomes harder.

As a youth watcher I'd say pre-Poch probably half of each intake of a dozen players looked to have good potential (but knowing one or two actually would make it), but towards the end of Poch's reign, maybe only 2 or 3 players of the annual intakes looked to be interesting. So the odds are against getting youth players through
Also, how we deal with "lesser" players is very important. Mums and dads pick what team their boy goes to and Spurs have a very good record of looking after players that won't make it and help finding them other clubs.
 
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