I'm not saying they are, but I'm sure we'd all rather be fighting for the titles like they are. They believed in their manager (yes a few idiots wanted him gone) and now they are enjoying the ride.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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But it can't be ironed out if you don't have the instincts.
How can you learn someone without a single defensive braincell to be a great defender??
This is the Premier League, and we are supposed to be a top team. You don' t buy players to teach them to be something else! You buy ready made players who fit their position.
We have to many defenders that are awful at defending. And it isn't helped by our central midfield either.
Our back 4 defends in a straight line, no one is covering the hole in front of them, therefore teams find it so easy to score from cut-backs.
That hole needs to be plugged by either one of the CB's, or more preferably by a DMC.
But nobody does it. And we hardly have any players challenging for aerials either.
That’s fair.
I do think ‘brand damage’ might push him to act though but we will see I guess
You're siding with the coach.
I'm siding with the players who are all getting worse under the coach.
Nothing left to discuss.
I think pretty much every player has regressed in the last 10 months. Romero and Maddison the most obvious but Son, Sarr, Bissouma, Bentancur, Udogie, Porro, Vicario, even VDV this season. Its no coincidence and doesnt mean they are all rubbish.
I would say he'd earned the right to try and translate his cup success in to league form the following season.
I'm not particularly confident he'll win either though.
That's a great post Ed and I agree with every point you make.
But if there's one thing worse than having shite owners and a good manager, it's having shite owners and a shite manager.
Hence our worst start to a league campaign for 15 years.
I think we are unlikely to get a decent manager now , that is the self fulfilling prophecy of ENIC’s approach to all things on the pitch related
Been critical of Ange the last few weeks, but let’s keep some perspective, we are 3 points off third place.
Up until two-three weeks ago, the underlying performance indicators were very good (they are still good), he needs to get back in course. If he doesn’t and we get more of the last 2-3 weeks hotch potch then I’m going start worrying.
Up until two-three weeks ago, the underlying performance indicators were very good (they are still good), he needs to get back in course. If he doesn’t and we get more of the last 2-3 weeks hotch potch then I’m going start worrying.
It was the point though. You argued that it's ludicrous the idea that Spurs transfers were better 10 years ago. I'd argue they're basically about the same in terms of quality and impact on the first team.
We could also cherry pick years like 2012 which arguably beats all our recent windows.
We're winning fuck all with him unless we happen to somehow draw Dundee United and Kilmarnock in the earlier rounds. I have doubts we beat United next month tbh in the quarter final.
Out of his depth.
Ange is different.
When we win well everyone is singing his name and anticipating more of the same.
When we lose it is often spectacularly average and predictable mistakes followed by the grief stricken pressers.
I have never heard any other Spurs manager discussing the possibilty of 'bumps in the road' and hypothetical defeats in the pipeline as if it is a certainty.
I am beginning to understand why Ange persists with Werner.
When Werner goes past a player into a 1v1 with the goalkeeper or a good crossing position it raises that expectation of a goal or something special. More often than not it ends in a hopeless and humiliating outcome but still we want to believe.
Levy has finally found his dream manager.
Werner is a turd and Ange will never tire of polishing this turd or any other turd he is given as a 2nd or 3rd choice.
Ange keeps trying; God bless him.
He refuses to change and I do admire that kind of self belief.
When we win well everyone is singing his name and anticipating more of the same.
When we lose it is often spectacularly average and predictable mistakes followed by the grief stricken pressers.
I have never heard any other Spurs manager discussing the possibilty of 'bumps in the road' and hypothetical defeats in the pipeline as if it is a certainty.
I am beginning to understand why Ange persists with Werner.
When Werner goes past a player into a 1v1 with the goalkeeper or a good crossing position it raises that expectation of a goal or something special. More often than not it ends in a hopeless and humiliating outcome but still we want to believe.
Levy has finally found his dream manager.
Werner is a turd and Ange will never tire of polishing this turd or any other turd he is given as a 2nd or 3rd choice.
Ange keeps trying; God bless him.
He refuses to change and I do admire that kind of self belief.
Were the players on the pitch fighting (for him, for themselves, for the club, for... whaterver)?
No, they were not.
They came out totally indifferent to opposition and occasion. Just as they did 2 weeks earlier.
Does that tell a story of team being fully behind their manager to you?
I hope he did learn and will change something.
But he said similar things after Crystal Palace game, wasn't it?
And also said that Brighton game "was his worst game in charge".
After these things nothing changed. Nothing in tactics, nothing in personell. Nothing at all.
I admire his confidence too, though he does stray into sloppy arrogance at times. Aussie sportspeople are known for their stubborn competitiveness so I guess it's to be expected.
That was a great year - Lloris, Dembele, Vertoghen and Adebayor.
Good calibre though - Vertohngen and Dembele's actual calibre wasn't realised until they had actually played for us for a period of time.
The truth is, in a year or twos time this window could be the best we ever had - no one knew how those transfers would pan out then - 2012/13 we had less points after 11 games than we do this season.
People need to just chill out and stop hyperbolising shit that isn't real.
What I admire is that he believes in what he is doing even when it appears to everyone else that he is failing.
I honestly thought he was toast as I watched the away game at Coventry in September. It was abject and as bad a performance as I can remember from any Spurs side; ever.
Spurs literally scored 2 goals in two minutes and did nothing else of note.
Brennan was on his arse and then scored a stack of goals. I think that just having Solanke in the starting 11 has made a huge difference for players like Brennan.
We also have lots of quality in midfield.
It's the defence that is letting Spurs down. We all know it.
I haven't been a fan of Romero since his Champions League sending off. Conte, for all his faults, seemed to lay a lot of blame at Romero's feet for several defeats.
I think Conte was right about Romero.
Whoever plays at right back, since Romero joined the club, has had problems and become unpopular very quickly.
I think Romero has ability but struggles to communicate, inspire and lead others. I suspect he wants a move and is attempting to force this through.
Levy and Spurs should replace Romero and let him go. Dragusin is sadly not good enough.
I think Vicario and Porro are also playing a part in Spurs defensive problems.
Ange should have picked Spence for the Europa team and he should have started Spence against Ipswich or at least brought him on at half time.
Sure it might be. I don't mean to be sarcastic - Bergvall might be the next Eriksen if he develops really well (once he's got over the Vicario incident lol) and the others too . I won't say Modric as that'd be unfair.
But more likely it'll be enough to get us to the odd quarter final, and 4-7th in the league most seasons. Which is all a bit underwhelming, hence all the simmering frustration with the club and with ENIC.
Personally I'm boringly chilled about it all. I can see the trend and am going through the various stages of acceptance.