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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Listen, we all know Levy is a problem. But Poch showed (and so did Conte for just over a year before he burnt out) that it's not necessarily an impossible problem. It just makes the job so much harder and means that not all managers are equipped to handle it. Ultimately both managers fell short, one crashed and burnt more rapidly than the other and tossed a grenade on the way out but we reached highs that we're not seeing with Ange.

Wanting to change managers doesn't mean you have to absolve Levy. Every time you say you need to choose Levy or Ange it's just a strawman argument. Mates, I don't choose the owners. I don't have £4bn to buy ENIC out. I don't personally know anyone who does.

Saying we have to continue this madness "because Levy" is just a false argument.

It's not a false argument at all. It's an admission they lack basic reasoning ability and child level intelligence.
 
Lol - I don't disagree entirely BUT you're doing the Spence thing again. This is what always happens.

Conte never played Spence. Got sacked.

Now Ange never started Spence. Getting sacked.

The next guy won't start Spence. He'll get sacked.

Is it all because they are all stupid and Spence is in fact the greatest footballer to ever walk the earth and Daniel Levy was a genius to buy him and no one can see it other than Daniel and his acolytes on this forum?

Or is there another common denominator here? :levyeyes:

Maybe we should sign Spence as our manager? :D
This has bugger all to do with Spence and you know it. Ange has been found out and needs to be sacked, We will continue to lose until Ange, his coaches (including Mason) are gone. Maybe then getting in a Manager who is tactically aware and adaptable we may look like a half decent team. As for Spence, who else can play fullback - we need 2 back ups - Porro looks knackered and Udogie is out of form - yet Ange still plays them.
 
Mate, are you basing all of that on press conference quotes and us getting injuries?

Have you seen even one training session or the training plan for a week/day/month?

Or are you purely guessing and plucking your analysis out of your arse?

The thing that gets me about everyone who says we are struggling because Ange’s training and system are too intense is that all of you conveniently ignore that fact that if your own expert analysis to be correct, you also have to assume that all of the teams we struggle against have systems and training regimens that aren’t intense and don’t cause injuries. Only you all know even less about those teams than you do your own… and we all know pretty much nothing about what happens behind the scenes at our own club.
He’s said himself, numerous times. Injuries follow him around.

He has players needing to cover hugely too much distance in high intensity sprints as we close up the pitch but don’t have forwards to hold possession well enough to make that work.

The fatigue I can see with my eyes, you recently stated you aren’t even watching games in the league, so my analysis may be “best guess”, yours is utter fantasy projection.

Of course, before your hiatus, you were claiming there’s no significant difference between coaching in Japan to the Prem, so I guess it’s folly engaging you on this topic. Shame as you are a good lad.

I’m neither Ange in or out, but to stay he must change and repeatedly states he won’t…
 
Pretty much how things go with almost every managerial appointment for any club.
Rubbish , lots of clubs hire managers who do a decent job , they leave in that time frame to move on to bigger and better things , so a positive departure . One manager has gone on to bigger and better things post being involved with Levy . Poch to PSG being an outlier and Conte is doing OK at Napoli right now . However nearly all managers leave Spurs with their reputation diminished not enhanced .
 
Yep. I’m not sure what everyone expected him to say. I actually think he choose his words well. Basically saying I’m playing 18 year olds so I expect a senior player who is a German international to lead by example and put in a shift.
That’s pretty much what I took from it as well.

I’m not Ange’s biggest fan at all, but my reasons for disliking him is how the team is being managed and how he’s reacted to the fans.

When it comes to comments, it’s so easy to be taken out of context, so I’m usually a little more cautious of the narrative.
 
Okay what is your suggestion then we were lucky to come away from the Ibrox with a point.

So how is that he coached Celtic to 6 wins drawn 2 and lost 3 against them, in a season including completely re-building Celtic, playing some wonderfull football and Rangers were playing the final of this very competition?

Yes I think he is done, but there are massive, massive issues with this squad in terms of quality, depth, attitude, culture and then, THEN you have the management of this club at the highest level.

He will go-he has to- but the new manager will not simply flick a switch and in 12 months bring a trophy.

The club management and squad require a root and branch overhaul and that is not happening.
 
Rubbish , lots of clubs hire managers who do a decent job , they leave in that time frame to move on to bigger and better things , so a positive departure . One manager has gone on to bigger and better things post being involved with Levy . Poch to PSG being an outlier and Conte is doing OK at Napoli right now . However nearly all managers leave Spurs with their reputation diminished not enhanced .
Most managers don't last that long at any club.

And clubs only tend to sack them when things get really bad.
 
He’s said himself, numerous times. Injuries follow him around.

He has players needing to cover hugely too much distance in high intensity sprints as we close up the pitch but don’t have forwards to hold possession well enough to make that work.

The fatigue I can see with my eyes, you recently stated you aren’t even watching games in the league, so my analysis may be “best guess”, yours is utter fantasy projection.

Of course, before your hiatus, you were claiming there’s no significant difference between coaching in Japan to the Prem, so I guess it’s folly engaging you on this topic. Shame as you are a good lad.

I’m neither Ange in or out, but to stay he must change and repeatedly states he won’t…
So, long story short, you were basing it all on assumptions and plucking the analysis out of your arse.
 
I did amend it to 3-5 years as I am no longer confident that anyone decent stays 4 or 5 years
3-5 years is absurdly long in the modern game. I'd take that. If they're good enough to stay for that long of course, you don't just keep them that long "because"
This has bugger all to do with Spence and you know it. Ange has been found out and needs to be sacked, We will continue to lose until Ange, his coaches (including Mason) are gone. Maybe then getting in a Manager who is tactically aware and adaptable we may look like a half decent team. As for Spence, who else can play fullback - we need 2 back ups - Porro looks knackered and Udogie is out of form - yet Ange still plays them.
Some of them can't see that the team are no longer even trying. They want him out despite comments like Romero's.
Can you name them please on the premier league in the last 20 years?

Chelsea guy forced out by the government and….. ?????
Mike Ashley?
Slightly different though as Newcastle weren't his only, let alone largest, cash cow.
And it also raises the question that the richest "people" on the face of the planet bought them and didn't even bother with Spurs.

Levy will never sell us/his share of us. He'll die of old age and his kids will prosper from Spurs.
 
Ha, Angeboi binned.

Given how rare a Spurs win is, I'll take that as a thing to celebrate this weekend

See Ya Adele GIF by E!
 
3-5 years is absurdly long in the modern game. I'd take that. If they're good enough to stay for that long of course, you don't just keep them that long "because"

Some of them can't see that the team are no longer even trying. They want him out despite comments like Romero's.

Mike Ashley?
Slightly different though as Newcastle weren't his only, let alone largest, cash cow.
And it also raises the question that the richest "people" on the face of the planet bought them and didn't even bother with Spurs.

Levy will never sell us/his share of us. He'll die of old age and his kids will prosper from Spurs.
I don't count Mike Ashley as someone who was forced out. He was disinterested but the Newcastle fans were whinging for years before he left. He stopped going to games and stopped giving a single shit what they thought of him. Also £300m is spare change compared to the numbers we're talking about with Spurs.
 
I don't count Mike Ashley as someone who was forced out. He was disinterested but the Newcastle fans were whinging for years before he left. He stopped going to games and stopped giving a single shit what they thought of him. Also £300m is spare change compared to the numbers we're talking about with Spurs.
Blackpool fans boycotted games for years. And even though the owner ended up selling it was for other reasons.

And that's fucking blackpool. No one's forcing out owners who have billions invested into this.
 
I don't count Mike Ashley as someone who was forced out. He was disinterested but the Newcastle fans were whinging for years before he left. He stopped going to games and stopped giving a single shit what they thought of him. Also £300m is spare change compared to the numbers we're talking about with Spurs.
Thats exavtly what would happen here. If Levy is getting well deserved grief on a regular basis he'll just stop going to matches. He's making too much money to let some chants and protests make him sell on the cheap.

Those advocating keeping Ange thinking its going to lead to some Assad like regime change are living in a dreamland. Levy is burrowed in like a tick and he'll go when someone offers around £4billion, thats it. Doesnt mean fans shouldnt try and at least make life uncomfortable for him but you have to be realistic.
 
I get what you are trying to say. And I agree with part of it.

But you are missing one aspect in that post.
Question is not that much where manager X or Y is managing. Question is - what is the position of the club he is managing in context of it's competitors.

Celtic is THE powerhouse in Scotland. In terms of it's capacity it is two heads above everyone else.
And there are managers that suit into the the dominant clubs and there are managers that can do well in clubs with different standings. Who can adjust and change around more based on the limitations when you do not have the exact right option that you would need.

Ange has shown in countless of occasions how he is unable to make alterations. He just seems to be the manager who can win you the league in style. If you provide him with (roughly speaking) best player in every single position. If not it's gonna be mostly horrific spectacle. As it has been for us vast majority of Ange time here. He just does not fit into our position. And based on that spell here, no dominant club in their league (your ManCity, Liverpool, Real, Barcelona, Bayern, PSG) will never poke him with a pole that is even 10 miles long.

Right, and that makes Celtic a massive club and a club of that stature is not picking a donkey to manage them. They chose Eddie Howe first but he reneged on account of dispute about the entourage he wanted to bring.

I see this situation like bad marriage-no-one's innocent, the manager, the players, the owners all have played their part.
 
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