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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
One note on this, the ranks of pundits in the English media include almost universally very successful and experienced players who have a lifetime of experience in what it's like to be out there playing for these clubs.

And unless I'm missing someone, not a single former manager of any substance whatsoever now that Graeme Souness is gone?

(EDIT: I'm forgetting Glenn Hoddle I guess, though he hasn't coached in almost two decades, kind of an exception that proves the rule)

These guys know the game and they know the culture of these clubs and the English supporters, but they don't know jack shit about management.

It's a weird blind spot given how much of the coverage is about managers and management. Managers want to manage, so it's harder to hire and keep someone who knows what they're talking about, but they ought to try.

Because managers tend to know what they''re talking about compared to ex players - I'll always remember when Jose was on Sky and the levels between him and Neville and Carragher was so eye opening, incredibly articulate, knowledgeable, empathetic etc...most of all not spouting baseless cliches and desperate to follow a common narrative.

I don't think it takes a lot to be a pundit more than ever because you don't have to think when you speak, you can spout a lot of shit which suits the common opinion and get away with it.
 
Because managers tend to know what they''re talking about compared to ex players - I'll always remember when Jose was on Sky and the levels between him and Neville and Carragher was so eye opening, incredibly articulate, knowledgeable, empathetic etc...most of all not spouting baseless cliches and desperate to follow a common narrative.

I don't think it takes a lot to be a pundit more than ever because you don't have to think when you speak, you can spout a lot of shit which suits the common opinion and get away with it.
Mourinho is the dream pundit, he would be unbelievable as a permanent part of the Sky panel.

But yeah, because coaching is so much about teaching and communication, they tend to make the best pundits, I definitely think that's the case in American sports.

Ange probably wouldn't get a fairer hearing from a Big Sam or Alan Pardew than he does from Neville and Carragher (and they should try to get someone more tactically sophisticated than that if they can), but it would make for a more interesting show.

Like what the hell else is Graham Potter doing while waiting for his next job? He's in London isn't he?

If we ever sack Ange, Sky should make him an offer he can't refuse, he'd be brilliant.
 
Mourinho is the dream pundit, he would be unbelievable as a permanent part of the Sky panel.

But yeah, because coaching is so much about teaching and communication, they tend to make the best pundits, I definitely think that's the case in American sports.

Ange probably wouldn't get a fairer hearing from a Big Sam or Alan Pardew than he does from Neville and Carragher (and they should try to get someone more tactically sophisticated than that if they can), but it would make for a more interesting show.

Like what the hell else is Graham Potter doing while waiting for his next job? He's in London isn't he?

If we ever sack Ange, Sky should make him an offer he can't refuse, he'd be brilliant.

He was good value during the Euro's for ITV.
 
Utd match was one of the biggest examples of a match turning on its head out of nowhere, solely due to not one but two calamitous individual errors. There was no anticipation, and therefore prevention, possible by the manager. Even Utd had probably written the game off at 3-0 because they knew they were thoroughly getting outplayed. What happened next was a total anomaly. It's not comparable to Brighton and Chelsea matches at all.

Unlike what scoreline indicates, this was a one sided match. I also choose to stay grounded after a win against a toothless mid table team, like how I wasn't overly excited after Soton match. But let's not act like this wasn't a totally deserved win.
 
Utd match was one of the biggest examples of a match turning on its head out of nowhere, solely due to not one but two calamitous individual errors. There was no anticipation, and therefore prevention, possible by the manager. Even Utd had probably written the game off at 3-0 because they knew they were thoroughly getting outplayed. What happened next was a total anomaly. It's not comparable to Brighton and Chelsea matches at all.

Unlike what scoreline indicates, this was a one sided match. I also choose to stay grounded after a win against a toothless mid table team, like how I wasn't overly excited after Soton match. But let's not act like this wasn't a totally deserved win.

It wasn't a one sided match at all. We were extremely clinical and both goalkeepers made mistakes. They were better for large periods of the game (incl the first half) without being overly threatening, and we made use of the chances we had. We then had our own keeper mistakes and the game shifted.

The way you talk, you'd think we had 60% + possession, way more shots and created clear chances. That didn't happen and we never really "deserved" to be 3 up at any point.
 
Funny thing is, those 2 mistakes aside, he's not been bad with his feet. In fact, he's been pretty good.

He hasn't. Those mistakes were coming. Lots of moments where he looked awkward but got away with it and he's mostly kept things VERY conservative.

He had one lovely moment which was funny vs Rangers but it has been evident that he is awkward with a ball at his feet.
 
Funny thing is, those 2 mistakes aside, he's not been bad with his feet. In fact, he's been pretty good.
For once I'm going to disagree with you mate. While he hasn't been as bad as I feared he might, there were two other mistakes in the United game alone that could have been costly.

He had seemed to be improving with every game up until United though, so hopefully that was just a blip and he's silky smooth with his passes vs Pool
 
For once I'm going to disagree with you mate. While he hasn't been as bad as I feared he might, there were two other mistakes in the United game alone that could have been costly.

He had seemed to be improving with every game up until United though, so hopefully that was just a blip and he's silky smooth with his passes vs Pool

Doubt it, they’re going to press the absolute shit out of him.
 
For once I'm going to disagree with you mate. While he hasn't been as bad as I feared he might, there were two other mistakes in the United game alone that could have been costly.

He had seemed to be improving with every game up until United though, so hopefully that was just a blip and he's silky smooth with his passes vs Pool
I doubt he will ever be silky smooth.

I don't disagree he had a shocker vs UTD btw but that doesn't mean it had been coming before the game IMO.
 
It wasn't a one sided match at all. We were extremely clinical and both goalkeepers made mistakes. They were better for large periods of the game (incl the first half) without being overly threatening, and we made use of the chances we had. We then had our own keeper mistakes and the game shifted.

The way you talk, you'd think we had 60% + possession, way more shots and created clear chances. That didn't happen and we never really "deserved" to be 3 up at any point. Kl
You need to see someone and get some help. There’s some good medication for depression nowadays. You don’t need to feel this way.

Go on mate. Take the first step.
 
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