Can Ange coach this team to at least 10 wins this next half of the season? I think we need about that much to get top 7. 54 pts should do it, right?
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Can Ange coach this team to at least 10 wins this next half of the season? I think we need about that much to get top 7. 54 pts should do it, right?
I agree that the players do not look demoralized out there yet. They haven't quit. They just look tired and short of ideas.
For whatever reason it doesn't feel like Ange has been able to manage the health of the squad relative to the games/comps faced. Obviously it's undeniable he rushed back both VdV and Romero and now they are out longer because of it. The comments about Udogie not being able to be rested while Reggie has been very available and very paid, are bizarre in the context of Spence being seemingly banished but in actuality a very good player. These observations plus the general sniff/vibes test tell me something is wrong even if it can't quite be fully proven right now.
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What reBUILD. Please, draw it out for everyone here. What are the outlines of the reBUILD. Together with actual proof that is happening. Building something is not some Bloody Mary urban myth that just saying the term three times will magically make it appear. There has to be plan, there have to be some aspects of proof that this thing in fact is happening.
I love this club and I want it to do well. And I do not see any progress at all. Not even the slighest. Results have been getting progressively worse and worse and worse and worse. What currently is happening is demolishion. I do not see incremental gains from one week or one month to another. I see that we have just completed half a season with 24 points. I see calendar year being finished with 51 points. A full year of unmitigated disaster. If we would actually adapt in some way and I would actually witness improvements in our games and results, the story would be different. But our performances under him started off well, but the longer period you look, the worse average results get. What grants and guarantees the inherent belief that we are building anything and not destroying?
You say that it is boring to read same comments over and over again. I get it. But change then the dynamics and lay out some explained arguments where this progress lies in. Right now all I see from people who urge to keep him are very basic and vague. Mainly can be summed up as "have more patience", "give him more time", "chananging managers does not fix all the issues", "who is even available to take over now" etc. Also quite repetitive.
It is sports and everything is evaluated through the results. I know what you say - that long term results are what matter - and it is true as well. Only as I pointed out - so far the longer it goes on, the worse results have been getting. So again - based on what should we expect this trend to change?
If we're goingto say things like "we lost games we should have won even with a full team, so the injury excuse is no excuse" then its relevant to know how man times that actually happened.
Both those are teams at far more advanced stages of development.
"Having some key players out can mean" one or two key players out, or your entire back four out and not a single recognized CB available. They're not equivalent.
The unjuries occur at the beginning. Why they're still happening is open to opinion.
The scores were 1-2 (A), 0-1 (H), 2-3 (A) and 0-1 (A). One goal losses, probably should have beaten Brighton and Palace.
Was Allison and their other first choice CB's missing all at the same time for that period? No. Did the Van Dijk injury derail their season on its own? Yes. They finished behind Man United by some distance after being the most dominant side in thw world the season before. Injuries matter
Fair enough. I'd just say that when you go into a game with the injuries to the defence we have - to lose another one is... just compounding in the sense of organisation you've managed to cobble together.
Again I'm not trying to say that any of this means you should be "Ange In" by any means. Just that we are genuinely in a crisis.
It is deniable. Neither you or me know whose decision that was.
Prior to this Postecoglou has been very careful with player welfare. He subbed Romero off against Brentford for concssion concerns in his 1st ever game. He's taken a lot of time to bring players back carefully. Maybe this all changed with the pressure he was under
Or maybe it was just terrible luck.
We don't actually know. If the players didn't think they were ready they would have leaked it (or their agents would)
We're saying things like we were poor when we had very few injuries. I don't think missing one player justifies losing to Ipswich at home. Do you? Is that our level of expectation now? If so, I feel sorry for you as you appear to think you're supporting Leicester City.
Do you think they're the only teams to have injuries? You think the other teams occupying top spots haven't had injuries this season?
We currently have two starting centre backs out and a goalkeeper. The rest are squad players. Wolves had their star player come off at half time and a starting midfielder and defender. They are fighting relegation. We are at home. We have a recognised CB available, he's called Dragusin. He's been available this whole time. He cost twenty-five million pounds and was wanted by Bayern Munich.
Should have beaten them? Why? Because you think so? Brighton had more shots on goal and more xG. Palace had more Xg, more shots, more shots on target. You saying things doesn't make it true. In fact we got exactly the points we deserved from those fixtures.
I've never seen a manager get treated to so many excuses or such a level of spin. I will give Ange credit - he does at least seem to have no shortage of people willing to defend him. Something about the man must inspire a kind of loyalty or devotion anyway.
Say he was sacked in the morning, what would the incoming manager's squad and tactics be for the next game?
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You've said yourself that in only 3 games all season has there been a full compliment of players available. Yes other clubs have injuries, but the top clubs to cover that, have deep squads. Tottenhams sqaud quality falls off a cliff when the first 11 aren't available
Dragusin played under an injury cloud. That he was the only recognized CB doesn't actually help your argument.
So my question is: Who would you play and what tactics would you use next match?
Our squad has better depth than many teams. Hilarious the levels people go to in order to defend this. It might apply if we were 7th or 8th, we aren't, we are a team in relegation form set for 48 points across a season. Teams with a fraction of our resources who are questioning whether they keep their coach are a handful of points from us. We have been beyond abysmal.
An injury cloud .. he was absolutely fine. My argument was that you said something that wasn't true. Just like when you said we should have beaten Palace and Brighton which was also not true.
It's a stupid question because I'm not a football manager. I imagine the next coach will mix up our build-up phases a bit, get us kicking long to Solanke more, tighten things up, make us less predictable. I don't know because we haven't hired him yet. Almost anything will be an improvement over looking every bit a team just pushing ahead of Crystal Palace.
It's embarrassing that we have seen this long a period of being poor under Ange and we are still having the same conversations. I was saying these things about him at the end of last season when we had all our players. I was saying it about him at the start of this season when we had all our players. I'm saying it now. The injury crisis is just yet another convenient excuse for him being fundamentally a not good enough coach at Premier League level.
He did both today and broke the internet.
Look if you want to believe Ange has done a great job of taking care of our players health with his tactics, rotation, and roster choices, you're free to believe what you like.
For me the circumstantial evidence about the whole situation suggests he's just not capable of maximizing squad effectiveness given the resources at hand and constraints in place.
Much different than current Ange-ball, that's for sure.
Attitude. I get how Ange likes good, hardworking people. That's why Kulu, Johnson, Son these are the people he will keep playing no matter how poor at certain times they are. But man, there has to be a limit to preferring character over ability, surely.Seeing how Spence and Reguilon have performed it makes one wonder why he's not played them earlier and more often
Woolwich, Newcastle, Brighton, Ipswich, Palace, all games in which we had a max of 1 first team player missing, 5/9 of our PL losses so far. Can't forget the 2 dropped points to Leicester on opening day.
Only because we've bumbled from one managerial appointment to the next since Pochettino when we were ahead of both those clubs, and failed to properly back most of them in the market, and finally we start seeing some actual investment in players under Ange and he turns out to be a fucking buffoon. People clinging to the wage bill argument to defend Ange as if it means something, we still have the 6th highest wage bill in the league, even if you're using that as your sole measure for success we're still horrifically underachieving. I'd point out players like Kane, Son and Dele Alli probably were on fuck all to start with and became our highest earners over time, people act like this is a recent ENIC development but this has largely been their model all along and we've been much better off than this under them with even lower transfer spend.
We've not had our entire back four out for any game this season, Porro and Udogie have clocked the most minutes this season in the PL, Vic's injury is a pretty recent development as well, it's mostly the CB injuries Ange apologists are hiding behind.
Who gives a shit how many we lose by? We've lost 9 fucking games in half a season. And against some utter shit.
And that itself was a sackable offence for Levy. He has to fuck off.
I'd hazard a guess that there were already some significant behind-the-scenes issues that had led Levy to make his mind up, and the potential cup payout just nudged him to hit the button.
It's quite right. Ange first season did many tactical subs to change things and won us many games at the final minutes. I guess people just like to see what they want to see.
But having say that, I feel Ange ego is abit too inflated this season he seems adamant to prove many wrong that his method fully bought in will improve us from last season. To say he couldn't adapt is simply not correct. Though stubbornness cost many managers their jobs.
Lol right. Have you seen a post saying something like why he's so friendly shaking hands and hugging opposition managers was because he probably couldn't believe he is managing a PL team and it's like a dream come true for him? For fuck sake..
There are many things to beat him with, but sportsmanship? Grrr....
Once we’re in the Championship will we get tribute acts playing the stadium instead ?
The Bootleg Beatles , T-Rextasy? Maybe even The Wurzels
The Bootleg Beatles , T-Rextasy? Maybe even The Wurzels