Manager Ange Postecoglou

[TheSpurEst]

Yup.

Still up to Ange to figure out a way to cope with the injuries - but anyone denying the impact of losing Vicario, Romero and VDV all at the same time, as well as Bentancur's ban is just not willing to have a serious conversation.

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We did not "lose" Romero and VDV to accidental injury.

They left the field in their first game after coming back from previous injury!
It was absurd gamble and both of them are 100% injured as a result of Ange decision.
As was freezing out Spence to play Porro and Udogie every possible moment. Which has left one of them injured and other just awfully run down form.

I agree that Vicario and Bentancur issues have been full freak-stuff. Meaning no one could have prevented them in any way though.

 

[meaningless-friendly]

Yup.

Still up to Ange to figure out a way to cope with the injuries - but anyone denying the impact of losing Vicario, Romero and VDV all at the same time, as well as Bentancur's ban is just not willing to have a serious conversation.

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Apart from VdV, they were all playing when we lost at home to Ipswich. There have been some truly terrible results and performances, injuries or not.

Which is why, with extra injuries, Ange's team plays like a relegation candidate. Contrast that with how Iraola has coped with injuries at Bournemouth.

It seems pretty clear at this point that Ange ain't figuring out anything.

 

[PointToPatrik]

Why Mason and not Matty Wells who is now above Mason in the hierarchy.

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Because most fans have no idea who Matty Wells is. They only really know Mason from the coaching staff since he's been interim twice before.

 

[Hulk]

Hulk
I've heard a couple of times lately you lose your season ticket if you miss 3 games. I've had a season ticket since 2017 and never seen that anywhere.
I tend to go to games if I can't sell my ticket.

I was thinking that fans could easily protest by going to the game but not going to their seat.
I'd be up for that. Watch it in the foyer. No food or drink. Thousands of empty seats.
They can't say we didn't show up. But it would look embarrassing on TV cameras.

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Heard it a few times now too but never saw anything official about it.
100% fans should do that or walk away from their seats in the 24th minute every game until they get the fucking message. Fans need to show the world that its unacceptable and we have been lied to for years now about how the new stadium would generate funds to go into the team and catch us up to the real top clubs.

 

[Matt1882]

Postecoglou on thin ice at Tottenham but Levy still hoping for turnaround

The Tottenham manager looks set to stay on for upcoming games against Hoffenheim and Leicester, with Daniel Levy taking injuries into account despite the team’s poor run

www.theguardian.com

Fucking hell. Levy really is clueless. Explains a lot. Levy is hanging his hat on the freak City away result, and seems to genuinely think when the injuries clear up, Ange is the man to take us to success. Levy is an absolute moron when it comes to football. He is genuinely completely clueless


Yeah we're fucked. Our chairman has completely bought the bullshit and actually thinks the injuries are why we are where we are, and that Ange's football will lead us to success. Fuck me. By the time it actually clicks with the evil bald dwarf, we'll be even lower in the table.

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Having visions of the band playing on as the Titanic went down.

Enic will never sell why we are down. They will want top dollar so will only sell if we are flying high. Think Catch 22

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And he can't sell while we're up, as the price is too high.
That my friend is text book catch 22.

Owning the club would have to become a liability IMO. That's the only way they ever leave.

 

[Richard Arlison]

You said we pressed them off the park until Bentancur injury.
Which stopped game roughly on 8th minute mark.

I indeed was happy. Specially for Bergvall for scoring his first goal for us!

But I also knew than and know now that this was half time not the full match.

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It was for 8 minutes but we probably should have scored 2 goals in that 8 minute spell. They were turning the ball over in very dangerous positions

 

[JimothyCF14]

Magic Eight Ball says Unlikely

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Can we appoint this Eight Ball as the next manager?

 

[prinmemo]

Oh, you mean the full 8 minutes? :O

I was just about to make a joke about celebrating stuff after half time (where this tie exactly is), but it seems that even less than 10 minutes is enough.

I keep hearing about "pressing off the park" from those positive about Ange. But it is exactly at that pressing moment when just one misplaced pass often leads to us giving opposition the goal. Specially if they have lethal players like Pool does.

Also, once again -> 4 weaker players compared to their best XI.
We scored on 84th and in terms of xG they were on top 1,32 vs 0,98. But ofc we totally demolished them. Sure thing !

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xG is meaningless to me. A total BS stat. Actual goals are what matter.

We didn’t demolish them, but we played well against them. The performance was substantially better than when we lost 6-3.

 

[Matt1882]

Ah you mean like with Harry Redknapp? After we won the League Cup, sold Keane and Berbatov at the end of the summer transfer window, replaced them both with Frazer Campbell and then started to scratch our heads, 'wha's going on' before blaming Ramos for being a shite manager and his 'Titantic' run of 2pts from 8 games

Look into my eyes...

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Wait, are you saying it was a bad move to sack Ramos for Redknapp and that it was selling Berbatov that was the problem, not Ramos?
Or am I reading it wrong.

 

[malin]

I’ll go with the chart instead of the league position because the league table was so tight at that stage, 1 result was the difference between 10th and 3rd.

Ange has made mistakes but some of those I find difficult to evaluate without all the information to hand. What you are doing in that post is assuming the missing information and taking an emotional position as a result.

You really think we’d be 15th if we didn’t lose half our squad for 2 months?

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It was not only about league position. PPG was shit before injury as well as TheSpurEst rightfully mentioned in his post.

 

[Richard Arlison]

It was not only about league position. PPG was shit before injury as well as TheSpurEst rightfully mentioned in his post.

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Yeah small sample size PPG early in the season isn’t really much to work with for analysis if you want to get much of value. Which is similar to what the OP said,

Do you think we’d be 15th if we didn’t have half our squad out?

 

[5purs]

Didn’t we have Bent and Pavlyuchenko and there was some theory they couldn’t play together. The start of that season was comedic.

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He worked it out in the end. We were all banging the same drum with a real chance of doing something special. He wanted to push on and got Nelsen and Sega mega drive man, Bolton player died, he went to court, got touted for the England job, coming to an end like a sparkler from a standard fireworks box (not Pochettino, Harry... however frighteningly similar that sounds lol)

 

[Gatsby]

I’d rather Ange than Terzik.

 

[Shadydan]

xG is meaningless to me. A total BS stat. Actual goals are what matter.

We didn’t demolish them, but we played well against them. The performance was substantially better than when we lost 6-3.

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Good for seasonal trends, not so good for isolated matches.

 

[Muckleflugga]

Because most fans have no idea who Matty Wells is. They only really know Mason from the coaching staff since he's been interim twice before.

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You are spot on , mentioned his name to a couple of supporters in my family and they looked at me blankly.

For those that don't know, Matty is the grandson of Cliff Jones and has more managerial experience than Ryan , he also worked with our youngsters at the same time as Kieran McKenna now with Ipswich.

Matt Wells - Manager profile

This is the profile site of the manager Matt Wells. The site lists all clubs he coached and all clubs he played for.

www.transfermarkt.com

 

[dudu]

Apart from VdV, they were all playing when we lost at home to Ipswich. There have been some truly terrible results and performances, injuries or not.

Which is why, with extra injuries, Ange's team plays like a relegation candidate. Contrast that with how Iraola has coped with injuries at Bournemouth.

It seems pretty clear at this point that Ange ain't figuring out anything.

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So what?

Youre talking about losing a game of football? It happens. Didn't Chelsea just lose 2-0 Ipswich with a team that probably cost twice what ours did?

There is a difference between losing a game of football, and your form falling off the edge of a cliff.

We beat City after the Ipswich loss and were 3 points off 3rd. We were not picking up a worthy amount of points but no one, bar Liverpool was.

Our form before the City game and after the City game could not have a more stark contrast.

I literally said its Anges job to figure out a solution - if he can't then its on him - but that doesnt mean the root cause of the problem doesn't exist?

 

[TheSpurEst]

I’ll go with the chart instead of the league position because the league table was so tight at that stage, 1 result was the difference between 10th and 3rd.

Ange has made mistakes but some of those I find difficult to evaluate without all the information to hand. What you are doing in that post is assuming the missing information and taking an emotional position as a result.

You really think we’d be 15th if we didn’t lose half our squad for 2 months?

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No.
It is not emotion.

I posted you cold hard facts.
After 11 games. that actually happened this season. We had 16 points from 11 games.
This equals to 1,45 points per game.
If we multiply it with 38, we get to 55 points.
And in past 5 seasons (that actually have happened) this has meant places 8th-11th.

So it is likely we'd be higher than we are now. But not by much.
Because whole calendar year 2024 we finished on 61 points. But you have to factor in - results under current manager have became worse and worse and worse and worse with absolute consistency.

His all time ppg from 60 games - 1,5 ppg. Equivalent to 57 points per season (which would be worst point tally since 2008-2009!)
His last full season worth of games (last 38) - 1,24 ppg 47 points per season.
Our current ongoing season (22 games) - 1,1 ppg ; 41 points per season
His last 1/2 of season (19 games) - 1,05 ppg ; 40 points per season
His last 10 games - 0,5 ppg ; 19 points per season.

EVERY. SINGLE. REAL HARD FACTUAL RESULT shows. We get worse and worse and worse the longer he stays.
These are not made up numbers. This is his actual trajectory as coach for us.

 

[5purs]

Wait, are you saying it was a bad move to sack Ramos for Redknapp and that it was selling Berbatov that was the problem, not Ramos?
Or am I reading it wrong.

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Wait, are you saying it wasn't a bad move to sell Keane and Berbatov at the end of the transfer window, replacing them both with Campbell and that had absolutely no affect what so ever? Or am I reading it wrong

 

[Harry Vaginola]

It was for 8 minutes but we probably should have scored 2 goals in that 8 minute spell. They were turning the ball over in very dangerous positions

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because scoring 2 goals in the first 8 mins is so common? this is why i jumped off the ange train early. the things required for his system to work just don't happen very often. it was clear very early that scoring 3 or more goals per match was needed to win and that's just not something that happens in this league. do you really think we're going to score 100 goals per season? with our squad? it's ludicrous

 

[malin]

Yeah small sample size PPG early in the season isn’t really much to work with for analysis if you want to get much of value. Which is similar to what the OP said,

Do you think we’d be 15th if we didn’t have half our squad out?

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PPG sucked whole 2024 year. Not only at the start of 2024/2025.

Maybe we would not be 15th without injuries, but 11th instead - still not good enough.

At the beginning of 2024 it was similar - let him have players back people said, it will be again like it was for the first 10 games of 2023/24. Well, we got our players back and yeah, we still didnt look good apart odd games till end of season.

Just don't see it this time will be different.