It was not only about league position. PPG was shit before injury as well as TheSpurEst rightfully mentioned in his post.
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Yeah small sample size PPG early in the season isn’t really much to work with for analysis if you want to get much of value. Which is similar to what the OP said,
Do you think we’d be 15th if we didn’t have half our squad out?
He worked it out in the end. We were all banging the same drum with a real chance of doing something special. He wanted to push on and got Nelsen and Sega mega drive man, Bolton player died, he went to court, got touted for the England job, coming to an end like a sparkler from a standard fireworks box (not Pochettino, Harry... however frighteningly similar that sounds lol)
Good for seasonal trends, not so good for isolated matches.
You are spot on , mentioned his name to a couple of supporters in my family and they looked at me blankly.
For those that don't know, Matty is the grandson of Cliff Jones and has more managerial experience than Ryan , he also worked with our youngsters at the same time as Kieran McKenna now with Ipswich.
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So what?
Youre talking about losing a game of football? It happens. Didn't Chelsea just lose 2-0 Ipswich with a team that probably cost twice what ours did?
There is a difference between losing a game of football, and your form falling off the edge of a cliff.
We beat City after the Ipswich loss and were 3 points off 3rd. We were not picking up a worthy amount of points but no one, bar Liverpool was.
Our form before the City game and after the City game could not have a more stark contrast.
I literally said its Anges job to figure out a solution - if he can't then its on him - but that doesnt mean the root cause of the problem doesn't exist?
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No.
It is not emotion.
I posted you cold hard facts.
After 11 games. that actually happened this season. We had 16 points from 11 games.
This equals to 1,45 points per game.
If we multiply it with 38, we get to 55 points.
And in past 5 seasons (that actually have happened) this has meant places 8th-11th.
So it is likely we'd be higher than we are now. But not by much.
Because whole calendar year 2024 we finished on 61 points. But you have to factor in - results under current manager have became worse and worse and worse and worse with absolute consistency.
His all time ppg from 60 games - 1,5 ppg. Equivalent to 57 points per season (which would be worst point tally since 2008-2009!)
His last full season worth of games (last 38) - 1,24 ppg 47 points per season.
Our current ongoing season (22 games) - 1,1 ppg ; 41 points per season
His last 1/2 of season (19 games) - 1,05 ppg ; 40 points per season
His last 10 games - 0,5 ppg ; 19 points per season.
EVERY. SINGLE. REAL HARD FACTUAL RESULT shows. We get worse and worse and worse the longer he stays.
These are not made up numbers. This is his actual trajectory as coach for us.
Wait, are you saying it wasn't a bad move to sell Keane and Berbatov at the end of the transfer window, replacing them both with Campbell and that had absolutely no affect what so ever? Or am I reading it wrong
because scoring 2 goals in the first 8 mins is so common? this is why i jumped off the ange train early. the things required for his system to work just don't happen very often. it was clear very early that scoring 3 or more goals per match was needed to win and that's just not something that happens in this league. do you really think we're going to score 100 goals per season? with our squad? it's ludicrous
PPG sucked whole 2024 year. Not only at the start of 2024/2025.
Maybe we would not be 15th without injuries, but 11th instead - still not good enough.
At the beginning of 2024 it was similar - let him have players back people said, it will be again like it was for the first 10 games of 2023/24. Well, we got our players back and yeah, we still didnt look good apart odd games till end of season.
Just don't see it this time will be different.
Ah good. Thank you.
You say that I am emotional.
Yet you say that in a game where with full time xG of 0,98 "we probably should have scored 2 goals in 8 minute spell".
Of course.
And I am emotional and you are rational
I literally burst out laughing at this comment.
So you do believe that we have "deserved" a victory in all NLDs, right? Cause we had possession and all.
And also "deserved" to win both games against Newcastle this season?
So in this "deserved" table we have 6 wins written down. But in real life... you know the one where facts live... we are with 1 draw and 5 defeats. And 1 point to league table from 18 possible.
Fulham are 10th, 9 pts above so even with a few less injuries no way we'd be higher than 11th. This style of football is not built for consistancy which is why we havent won 3 league games on the spin for 13 months and only 2 on the spin twice in that time. I reckon we'd probably be 11th or 12th which is still terrible and every team has some level of injuries.
You really think we’d be 11th with a full squad plus Solanke?
We finished 5th without Solanke
Agreed.
Performance was much better.
But also they had rotated 4 players compared to this one.
All 4 were fit and able to play against us, but they decided not to use them,
We didn’t create the opportunities from those turnovers that we should have.Ah good. Thank you.
You say that I am emotional.
Yet you say that in a game where with full time xG of 0,98 "we probably should have scored 2 goals in 8 minute spell".
Of course.
And I am emotional and you are rational
I literally burst out laughing at this comment.
So you do believe that we have "deserved" a victory in all NLDs, right? Cause we had possession and all.
And also "deserved" to win both games against Newcastle this season?
So in this "deserved" table we have 6 wins written down. But in real life... you know the one where facts live... we are with 1 draw and 5 defeats. And 1 point to league table from 18 possible.
That’s why I said probably should have scored 2 goals
The first game our entire team had played 2 days before and they were fully rested
Very good.
Again thanks!
Meanwhile I have posted PPG from 60 games too.
Which is also shit.
And that includes all 60 games under current manager.
What about that?
Maybe alternative dxG (deserved xG) ?
Christ no, these guys aren't about to forsake CL money which is at least an extra £60m without broadcast revenue, sponsor revenue and bonuses
Not to mention competition money is profit which makes you even more FFP and PSR compliant!
Also when you say line their pockets, how do you mean?
It's basically like saying a millionaire doesn't need to keep investing because he's a millionaire.
We won that game 1-0. Why did we need to score 3 to win it?