If we did not have as many injuries, and if all this so called extra training translated into tangible benefit, your point would have some validity.Oh fuck me the professional athlete paid a motza has to play twice a week. Cry me a river ffs.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Bastard. Mines still there.
Is it on TV?
This isn't really a Tottenham thing, you do realise that? It's just the state of the game. Every club that has a failing manager will, unequivocally end with leaks from players like this.
I agree training can't be that bad. It looks like none of them have been since 2023.
That he's the same as/worse than a washed up, 64 year old journeyman like Bentitez.
Except he as absolutely none of the history to lean on.
They might look knackered to you, but we pay a team of coaches, physios and sports scientists to maintain them at optimum levels. The same as every other top club. Our players workload is no different to any of those.
The whole tiredness thing is a lame excuse to justify failure. It doesn’t exist at a winning club because it’s not allowed to.
When did I underestimate injuries?
I said that for once it’s easy to see how some players may be fed up with his training. Guys who are playing 100minutes twice per week, week in week out, might be fed up with doing high intensity training in between.
The culture/mentality of our club just screams failure to me.
Can't find the Spence comment I was going to chip in on but don't worry he has a nice little break coming up so he can sit in listening to Drill and relax ready for Sunday.
So the drop in form of players like Udogie, and Porro is purely down to Ange? Fatigue doesn’t play a single part in it? Or are both just shit players?
Liverpool are top of the league and Salah is as fit as a fiddle. Bit different from us being shit and Son looking broken.
As for what Conte said. That was was 2 years ago.
Since then, Lloris, Royal, Dier, Sanchez, PEH, Kane, Moura, Winks, Skipp, Rodon, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Tanganga, Sessegnon have all gone.
Of the team, including subs from Sunday, Davies, Spence, *Porro, Deki, Son, Richie, Reguilon are all that's left from Conte's time.
*Only had about a month with Conte.
Go further back and Son and Davies are the only 2 left from Poch's time.
This isn't a Spurs thing. It happens with every squad. There were plenty of leaks from United slagging ETH off.
IMO, there's far too many fraud managers out there. They're winging it and chop and change jobs every 2 years their entire career. Ange is no different. Players can sniff them out to some degree.
They don't seem to say much if a) the team is doing well and b) they're playing regularly
If the team struggles and, especially, if they're sat on the bench the players whine.
You watch how we play and it's not at all surprising players all look dead on their feet.
There's always players running 40, 50, 60 yards trying to "press" the opposition.
I'm pretty sure if you looked it up, we'd be near the top for KM run and number of sprints. And until probably November, hardly any rotation.
They are in longer nowadays mate but not everyday. Some days its optional to stay on but some days they do different programmes in the afternoon specific to what the individual need. They also do more community work nowadays.
They have everything at Tottenham for injury prevention and recovery that I find it mind boggling that we have so many muscle injuries.
I’ve mentioned this before,maybe there’s something in being too finely tuned and any wrong movement leads to a muscle strain.
I have my thoughts on this. I played for a long time on shit training pitches and poor pitches especially in the months from November to April and the pitches were all uneven and was never injured. Maybe because of the different movements on different surfaces you were stronger and your body adapted better to those types of surfaces.
I see so many players pulling hamstrings ,thighs ,calves nowadays and it wasn’t as bad as that back in the day. I do get that players are naturally quicker now which probably has a lot to do with it to. Who knows
Tanguy??! That you??
Their workload, fatigue levels and physical state is totally down to Ange and his staff plus the clubs medical and sporting structure. That’s their job.
Both of those players you mentioned were being raved about on this board a short while ago and it’s unlikely they’ve suddenly become truly shit players. More likely is poor coaching and management of them has led to deterioration in form.
Are you believing her because she's blonde and looks fairly decent in that thumbnail?
They won’t be doing high intensity training when they play Sunday Thursday Sunday. Anybody who thinks that does not have a clue how it works.
yep. Don’t disagree. It’s not all on Ange. But we are stuck with Levy
Yep. Absolutely no need. Recovery and nutrition
Oh. And tactics would be nice
It’s almost as if you were an average dosser having a kick about as opposed to an elite athlete pushing your body to the limit every single moment of the game.
Salah is not made to chase the way our players are. Slot is smart enough to understand that a world class finisher at 32/33 should not be made to chase younger guys around the pitch like a dog.
If Ange had the same kind of insight, our players would actually be able to do what they do best, and they would still have energy left. Now they're absolutely dead tired. They would need a summer break now. We're going to get even more injury problems towards the end of the season. This is definitely not due to randomness but a direct effect of Ange's way of managing.
Thanks for the insight. My feeling - perhaps not a great analogy! - is the modern players are like racehorses, very finely tuned and vulnerable to injury, illness, etc., due to the high performance and so on.They are in longer nowadays mate but not everyday. Some days its optional to stay on but some days they do different programmes in the afternoon specific to what the individual need. They also do more community work nowadays.
They have everything at Tottenham for injury prevention and recovery that I find it mind boggling that we have so many muscle injuries.
I’ve mentioned this before,maybe there’s something in being too finely tuned and any wrong movement leads to a muscle strain.
I have my thoughts on this. I played for a long time on shit training pitches and poor pitches especially in the months from November to April and the pitches were all uneven and was never injured. Maybe because of the different movements on different surfaces you were stronger and your body adapted better to those types of surfaces.
I see so many players pulling hamstrings ,thighs ,calves nowadays and it wasn’t as bad as that back in the day. I do get that players are naturally quicker now which probably has a lot to do with it to. Who knows