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Transfers January Transfer Thread 24/25

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Ange before 01 Jan when telling the media he was looking forward to some help from the board in the upcoming window

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Ange...Next week

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Yeah the academy has been largely shit over the years, Kane a massive anomaly.

Chelsea and City are obvious standouts when it comes to youth development but we are probably as good/bad as every other club in the Premier League when it comes to bringing through youth players and having general successes.


Don't think our academy has been that bad over the last 15 or so years. Kane, Townsend, Mason Winks all have caps for England. KWP, Benteleb, Smith, Carter Vickers, Parrott, Skipp, Livermore have all had good careers at top level football
 
Yeah the academy has been largely shit over the years, Kane a massive anomaly.

Chelsea and City are obvious standouts when it comes to youth development but we are probably as good/bad as every other club in the Premier League when it comes to bringing through youth players and having general successes.
No, the academy produced a lot of internationally capped olayers over the last decade or so. Even ones who didn't make it here. Tbe likes of Livermore, Caulker, Carter-Vickers, Vejkovic,

Given that McDermott would not pay kids anywhere close to what Chelsea or Woolwich were, the academy still found a way to be productive. Glad that we have changed things to he more competitive financially since Paratici though.
 
No, the academy produced a lot of internationally capped olayers over the last decade or so. Even ones who didn't make it here. Tbe likes of Livermore, Caulker, Carter-Vickers, Vejkovic,

Given that McDermott would not oay kids anywhere close to what Chelsea or Woolwich were, the academy still found a way to be productive. Glad that we have changed things to he more competitive financially since Paratici though.

I took 'academy successes' as players Art Vandelay Art Vandelay mentioned for their respective clubs Foden, Saka, Trent hence why I initially mentioned Kane

But you're right the academy in that respect has done well and we have made money out of it.
 
Oil money cheat code.
Lure of guarantee of trophies.

If fans want to continue to compare us to Man City, or even worse pine for us to be like them, then you'll be eternally disappointed at the reality.
We hardly need to be shopping at Poundland though do we , it’s a myth that you can’t get good players in January , you can it’s just you have to pay a bit more, and for a club as rich as we are , to be sat in 15th with so many injuries , to not have strengthened the outfield players by now is criminal, if you want to accept that then you are nothing but a Levy Cuck!
 
I took 'academy successes' as players Art Vandelay Art Vandelay mentioned for their respective clubs Foden, Saka, Trent hence why I initially mentioned Kane

But you're right the academy in that respect has done well and we have made money out of it.
I was being a tad more strict. Any academy player we sell to another club, even lower level will represent a profit so I also considered having played some decent top flight football. Carter-Vickers for example is a no as Scottish football is trash. Caulker would be a no for me but even so was before Kane so there hasn't been much since Harry and Hemel Hempstead Iniesta.

The semantics over marginal individual players was less relevant to the fact there's been a regression in recent seasons.
 
We hardly need to be shopping at Poundland though do we , it’s a myth that you can’t get good players in January , you can it’s just you have to pay a bit more, and for a club as rich as we are , to be sat in 15th with so many injuries , to not have strengthened the outfield players by now is criminal, if you want to accept that then you are nothing but a Levy Cuck!

Of course you can get players in Jan (everyone has a price) but you'll have to pay Man City prices, it depends on whether you think those players are actually worth spending money on.

I do think that the club were looking at RKM and since that has fallen through haven't got a good enough alternative.
 
I was being a tad more strict. Any academy player we sell to another club, even lower level will represent a profit so I also considered having played some decent top flight football. Carter-Vickers for example is a no as Scottish football is trash. Caulker would be a no for me but even so was before Kane so there hasn't been much since Harry and Hemel Hempstead Iniesta.

The semantics over marginal individual players was less relevant to the fact there's been a regression in recent seasons.

So in that case the players that dondo mentioned signals we haven't done that badly then.
 
The key word is strengthen... only worth it if the player us actually going to be an upgrade no?

I would be shocked to see any club sell a striker who is likely to be their starting player this window.... any striker siting on a bench will not be good enough.

So what realistically are you hoping for?
So Solanke is out till March at best , Sonny cannot play central under Ange , it just doesn’t work , Richie is fit but I wouldn’t want to be relying on him to stay injury free until Solanke returns so realistically that leaves us with Lankshear who is yet to start a PL game.

I am not someone who follows loads of other teams so I’m not sure what player we should be going for but apparently there are well payed people at the club whose job it is to find these players , surely there has to be someone available now even for a loan , let’s say we lose Sunday against Leicester , we are in a dog fight to stay up.
 
So Solanke is out till March at best , Sonny cannot play central under Ange , it just doesn’t work , Richie is fit but I wouldn’t want to be relying on him to stay injury free until Solanke returns so realistically that leaves us with Lankshear who is yet to start a PL game.

I am not someone who follows loads of other teams so I’m not sure what player we should be going for but apparently there are well payed people at the club whose job it is to find these players , surely there has to be someone available now even for a loan , let’s say we lose Sunday against Leicester , we are in a dog fight to stay up.

The problem with just signing anyone for a temporary fix is that you over bloat the squad and they end up as deadwood and you can't get rid of them so in Jan the loan or loan with option market is quite fanciful...problem is that clubs are unwilling to just loan out players if they're not getting something in return.

The pool we are shopping is incredibly small for the kind of talent we want, January is a stupid window made for opportunists which is probably why clubs are keeping their powder dry until next week.
 
Don't think our academy has been that bad over the last 15 or so years. Kane, Townsend, Mason Winks all have caps for England. KWP, Benteleb, Smith, Carter Vickers, Parrott, Skipp, Livermore have all had good careers at top level football
Don’t forget Tanganga , doing very well at Millwall , not sure he would be doing any worse than Dragusin in this system either , the trouble with academy players is they need regular game time to develop, I think Poch refusing to send any players out on loan fucked us up for years!
 
We hardly need to be shopping at Poundland though do we , it’s a myth that you can’t get good players in January , you can it’s just you have to pay a bit more, and for a club as rich as we are , to be sat in 15th with so many injuries , to not have strengthened the outfield players by now is criminal, if you want to accept that then you are nothing but a Levy Cuck!
Ugh! This is the issue with this place at times.

If the issue was as simple as just pay up then why are none of our contemporaries 'spending the money' and getting guys in. Why haven't Woolwich found cover for Jesus and Saka? Why haven't United bought someone given they're in our area of the table?

Why does this pattern of top clubs not getting much of quality happen in a lot of January windows? We had the highest profile signing last January in the EPL with Dragusin. Many here wouldn't mind him sold. Wharton and Echeverri were the only other EPL transfers over 10m.

January prior was an outlier as Newcastle had just found oil money and Chelsea were spending large under Boehly. NFI how they've avoided FFP breaches.

January before that and Digne for 25m, Luis Diaz and Bentancur appear to be the only decent signings that month.

Pointing out that January windows can be hard as clubs across Europe are less inclined to sell does not make me a Levy cuck. It is merely reviewing recent empirical data and presenting facts.

If the options in January 2025 window end up being a meh squad option for cheap money or nothing I'd prefer nothing. And what is evident is that unless you are a cheat like Man City no one else seems to be able to get clubs to sell someone decent. And I say that thinking Marmoush will flop, just like most other Frankfurt forwards they've sold have flopped previously.

The issue here really is that you're looking at the table position and incorrectly positing that inaction this month is unacceptable. The reality is the unacceptable transfer window was the summer, and if we pay for it because players who could help us are not readily available then that's a lesson in why the Summer window each season is crucial to considerably strengthen your squad. Much harder to do in the winter.
 
So in that case the players that dondo mentioned signals we haven't done that badly then.
Is there any comfort to be had seeing KWP do well at Palace? Or Edwards in Portugal? Or Parrott in Holland?

IF you want to include them as successful academy players for the purpose of this discussion then our academy and first teams have still failed as they weren't able to integrate into our first team.Which is the point of our academy.

If the follow up argument to that is they weren't good enough for us then I wouldn't include them anyway. It's nice that some of them make us an FFP profit when we sell them, but that's about it.
 
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