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Is there any comfort to be had seeing KWP do well at Palace? Or Edwards in Portugal? Or Parrott in Holland?
IF you want to include them as successful academy players for the purpose of this discussion then our academy and first teams have still failed as they weren't able to integrate into our first team.Which is the point of our academy.
If the follow up argument to that is they weren't good enough for us then I wouldn't include them anyway. It's nice that some of them make us an FFP profit when we sell them, but that's about it.
He will never rock the boat.I wonder how far Ange is from a Conte level meltdown?
Imagine the window closes and, at best, we've got a 21 year old keeper and an unusable loanee.
Don’t forget Tanganga , doing very well at Millwall , not sure he would be doing any worse than Dragusin in this system either , the trouble with academy players is they need regular game time to develop, I think Poch refusing to send any players out on loan fucked us up for years!
I honestly don’t know what we do at this point. We’ve left it so late at this stage that clubs are going to tell us to get fucked. The fact we are still only making enquiries for the likes of Brobbey tells you all you need to know - they haven’t a bulls notion what they are doing.
Fair enough.The point of our academy isn't purely only to produce players for the first team, that scenario is unrealistic, there's not one Premier League team who can boast this either...your academy is there to serve the club profit as well and we've made good money from our academy products over the years.
The point is though in your original post you mentioned Woolwich, Liverpool and Utd who had academy successes - they've all had one recent 'success' like us and ours was Kane so I don't subscribe to the fact that our academy has failed in that respect. The only clubs who have outstanding academies where they've recently constantly profited from players being promoted to first team football or made very good profit from are Chelsea and Man City.
It feels like he's started going from "everything is fine"He will never rock the boat.
He’ll never get another gig at this level, so will ride the millions for as long as possible.
Trouble is even if Ange is sacked we are still short. We still need a left centre back and a forward with Ange or without him.
He will never rock the boat.
He’ll never get another gig at this level, so will ride the millions for as long as possible.
I don't know about that. Being the public face of the club at press conferences where he's continually being asked to justify things that he doesn't agree with, like not bothering to strengthen the squad and being publicly hung out to dry he might crack at some point.He will never rock the boat.
He’ll never get another gig at this level, so will ride the millions for as long as possible.
There isn't, but the academy serves a twofold purpose. Those not deemed good enough for progression with us can be sold for a profit. Those that are good enough progress to the first team. If they then don't kick on, they can be sold for a profit.Is there any comfort to be had seeing KWP do well at Palace? Or Edwards in Portugal? Or Parrott in Holland?
It's not the sole purpose though. Very few clubs get a steady progression of academy players into their first team ranks, and of those that do, fewer still remain. Chelsea have been put up as one of the best academies around, yet who do they have playing regularly for them? Reece James (when he's not crocked)? Who else? You could include whassisname that they sold to Atletico, but that's just 2, and their academy has been light years ahead of ours for over a decade.IF you want to include them as successful academy players for the purpose of this discussion then our academy and first teams have still failed as they weren't able to integrate into our first team.Which is the point of our academy.
As I wrote above, there are academies, effectively of the teams I've mentioned above, that have been well in advance of ours, yet their first team additions are relatively small. The last club to integrate a glut of academy products was Utd, more than 2 decades ago. Now they have Mainoo and...?If the follow up argument to that is they weren't good enough for us then I wouldn't include them anyway. It's nice that some of them make us an FFP profit when we sell them, but that's about it.
Might not be injured, probably was told to start looking for somewhere else.
Possibly means we’ve got one close to coming in if we’re allowing one out?
View: https://x.com/tottenhamtiers/status/1883110844894240897?s=46
Yeah definitely. They should be buying for the club, not for this particular manager. Good players are still good players. We’ve enough average ones to get rid of in due course.
The point of our academy isn't purely only to produce players for the first team, that scenario is unrealistic, there's not one Premier League team who can boast this either...your academy is there to serve the club profit as well and we've made good money from our academy products over the years.
The point is though in your original post you mentioned Woolwich, Liverpool and Utd who had academy successes - they've all had one recent 'success' like us and ours was Kane so I don't subscribe to the fact that our academy has failed in that respect. The only clubs who have outstanding academies where they've recently constantly profited from players being promoted to first team football or made very good profit from are Chelsea and Man City.
Academies in other leagues do fantastically well. Barca and the Basque clubs come to mind immediately.
Brobbey was very good last year - and the one before that...just getting a lot less gametime this season so naturally his numbers are down. Still scoring and assisting in Europe.I’ll say Luis Suarez before someone else does.
Even though I’m very aware he’s the outlier.
I’m just saying that nobody on here knows if this guy is any good or not. Chances are he isn’t if Ajax are looking to sell him. But give him a chance and he may surprise us. If he joins.
I do also reserve a chuckle for the “just fucking sign someone you bald cunt” posts that are now superseded by “not him though!”
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Might not be injured, probably was told to start looking for somewhere else.
Possibly means we’ve got one close to coming in if we’re allowing one out?
View: https://x.com/tottenhamtiers/status/1883110844894240897?s=46