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How losing centre backs has hurt Tottenham’s attack​

Crisitan Romero and Micky van de Ven are critical to build-up play for Ange Postecoglou’s side and their absence has led to issues further up the pitch​

Hamzah Khalique-LoonatJanuary 26 2025, 7.00pm GMT
Illustration of Tottenham Hotspur manager and players.

Dragusin, centre, has had to step in for Romero, right, and Van de Ven, but cannot match their progressive passes, causing problems for Postecoglou, left
Last season Ange Postecoglou’s Tottenham Hotspur were probably the neutral’s favourite team. This season they may still be, although for very different reasons.

The refreshing, fearless and attacking football that had Tottenham soaring to the top of the league after ten matches last season has gone, as the team have descended into what appears, at times, an incomprehensible mess.

For those who aren’t quite up to date with the Tottenham’s topsy-turvy season: Spurs have the fourth-most losses in the league; the third-most goals; the tenth-best expected goal difference; the seventh-best actual goal difference; have lost four consecutive league matches; are 15th; have one foot in the Carabao Cup final, having beaten Liverpool in the first leg, yet have the third-worst odds of winning the competition; and they remain the favourites for the Europa League.

In short: something very strange is going on at Tottenham.

Postecoglou has assigned much of this bizarre form to injuries — and he’s got a point. Of the team which lost 2-1 to Leicester City, six starting players — Guglielmo Vicario, Cristian Romero, Micky van de Ven, Destiny Udogie, Brennan Johnson and Dominic Solanke — were unavailable for selection due to injury.

In addition, the squad players Timo Werner, Wilson Odobert and Djed Spence were unavailable.

Also returning to fitness was Yves Bissouma (named on the bench) and Pape Matar Sarr, who was selected to start, but Postecoglou admitted afterwards that he was not fully fit.

Across the defence this season, Spurs have had just one starting player available for all 23 matches: Pedro Porro. Whereas his team-mates Udogie (1,430 minutes, 15.9 matches), Vicario (1,080mins, 12 matches), Romero (974mins, 10.8 matches) and Van de Ven (788mins, 8.8 matches) have missed considerable action.

The centre backs have played a combined 1,762 minutes of a possible 4,140 — less than half of their potential league minutes.

The problem with that (beyond the obvious difficulties of playing without your best defenders and goalkeeper) is that they are critical components of Tottenham’s build-up play. In a seminar with Hudl in 2020, when Postecoglou was still manager of the Yokohama Mariners, he laid out his principles.

ā€œFor me it starts with the ball,ā€ he said. ā€œEverything we coach and preach starts with the ball. There are certain things that are non-negotiable, and the first is that I want my teams to have the ball. So our attacking and defensive philosophy is measured around that.

ā€œPossession is important, but it’s not just possession, because if we kept the ball with no real purpose, a) we wouldn’t be successful, and b) it wouldn’t be exciting.

ā€œAre we playing forward, are we getting close to the goal so we can have shots? Ultimately it’s about goalscoring. We need to play out from the back all the time. And that means putting players in difficult situations, goalkeepers, defenders, who in many respects at times would prefer probably not to receive the ball in certain areas, but we’re saying we need to.ā€

Spurs tend to play in a 2-3-5 shape, which is designed to have lots of passing options infield, and one-on-one opportunities for the wingers on the touchline.

Soccer game in progress, score 1-1.

That shape necessitates the goalkeeper and centre backs having responsibility for moving the ball forward.

Van de Ven averages 4.89 progressive passes per 90 this season, and Romero 4.44. Both are well ahead of Radu Dragusin (2.66) and Archie Gray (2.16).

But it’s not just a matter of passing, it’s also about carrying the ball forward, either into space, or to draw an opponent out and create space for a team-mate.

In this respect, Romero is the more important of the centre backs. This season he averages 197.8 yards of ā€œprogressive distanceā€ per match.

While the Romania defender Dragusin’s ā€œprogressive distanceā€ is not too dissimilar from Van de Ven’s, the Netherlands international often pulls wide, to create angles for his team-mates.

But what does this mean for Tottenham in a practical sense?

The result of this stymied build-up is that their most attacking (and best players) such as Son Heung-min and Dejan Kulusevski have less involvement inside the opposition penalty area, as their defensive team-mates struggle to find them further upfield. They have been starved of possession.

This is a classic domino effect. Because Tottenham struggle to move the ball upfield, they find it difficult to control the pitch, and force opponents deeper.

That has two immediate consequences: it’s more challenging to keep possession, as the opposition are not being forced into defending their own area; and it’s harder to press, as instead of cooping a team in their defensive third, Tottenham are chasing opponents all over the field. Which is reflected in Tottenham’s falling share of possession, compared with the highs of last season.

Likewise, the intensity of Tottenham’s press — measured by their PPDA, the average number of passes their opponents take before they make a defensive action — has declined too.

Last season Tottenham’s PPDA was 8.8, this season it is 9.3.

ā€œThe defending side again is about the ball,ā€ Postecoglou explained. ā€œAs a coach when I’m watching the game I’m just not comfortable when I’m watching the opponent with the ball. I don’t want to be in a situation where I’m watching the opposition working us around the pitch looking for space.

ā€œA lot of that is immediate pressure after we’ve lost the ball; pressure high up the pitch away from our goal, where if we win it, there’s a massive reward. Our whole defensive strategy is about ā€˜Can we get the ball off the opposition as quickly as possible, as far away from our goal as possible?’ ā€

Tottenham still press high. To stay compact, they position their defenders on halfway. But without Van de Ven’s pace, Romero’s heading and Vicario’s sweeping, long passes in behind are effective at exploiting Tottenham’s press.

Consequently, Tottenham have become easy to play through. They have faced 28 ā€œfast-breakā€ shots this season, the third most in the league.

And the nature of these shots tend to be high quality. The average shot faced by Tottenham this season has an xG of 0.14, the joint highest in the league.

Postecoglou has been cast as an ideologue for his unrelenting commitment to his principles. In that same interview in 2020, he said: ā€œWhen my team is playing, I pretend my father is in the grandstand and thinking, would he be enjoying watching this team?ā€

ā€œThat’s always been the root of everything I’ve done. So when people say have you had challenges of changing your playing style, or questions, I can’t shift, because for me where it all started from is more powerful than any sort of challenges I’ll get externally, whether it’s criticism from owners, or media or supporters or even players question my beliefs… It’s so deep rooted it will never change.ā€

It’s a powerful message, often misunderstood and misinterpreted. The manager has never said he would not make tactical tweaks, just that his objective of always seeking possession and using it offensively is paramount.

So when he makes tweaks they are designed to achieve those principles, such as a recent alteration to his full backs’ positions. In his time at Celtic and especially last season, Postecoglou caught the eye with how he inverted both of his full backs into midfield.

According to Opta, Spurs typically have the narrowest full backs in the top flight, and the second highest too. They often sit alongside the deep midfielder, but frequently join the attacking line.

The central positioning of those players was supposed to provide passing options to control the middle of the pitch, outnumber their opponents and build forward with greater ease. However, with Dragusin, Gray and Antonin Kinsky struggling to move the ball to the midfield line, Postecoglou instructed his inverted full backs to drop deeper, to assist the team’s build-up.

In the image below, Gray (nearest to the touchline) is in a conventional full-back position.

The problem is, it hasn’t worked. Spurs had situations such as this, where Dragusin couldn’t find a team-mate further forward, so he moved the ball across to Ben Davies, who encountered a similar problem.

Without a defender confident enough to stride forward, attract a man and play a combination to break Leicester’s first line, Spurs were reduced to playing around Leicester’s block.

ā€œEven under pressure our goalkeepers and defenders are constantly looking for short options. It’s not about going forward for no reason, it’s looking for where the space is and creating space to eventually be able to attack with some purpose,ā€ Postecoglou said.

However, his defenders are struggling to find those short options.

So, is there anything that can be done? Well there are a couple areas for improvement, notwithstanding the injury situation.

Tighten up in midfield

At the weekend some of Tottenham’s midfielders had a rotten start to the game, where they coughed up possession needlessly.

Here’s an example of how the press is supposed to work, when Tottenham are in a mid-block.

They man-mark their opponents, cover the centre and guide Leicester out wide. Rodrigo Bentancur steps across and intercepts the pass.

It’s a clean ball recovery, exactly the sort of thing Postecoglou would love to see. But looseness from Sarr gifted possession to Leicester.

A similar situation plays out here, with Bentancur losing possession three times in a sequence.

Cutting mistakes like these out would go a long way.

Adjust the press

Opponents find it easier to play through Tottenham’s press than that of other teams such as Woolwich, Bournemouth and Liverpool, for example. The reasons for this are two-fold: there are triggers that are easy for an opponent to identify and exploit. Such as this:


View: https://x.com/HKhaliqueLoonat/status/1871522236659904603


And Tottenham, who use a man-to-man press, don’t give themselves much cover (in the form of a spare man), so when a pass like this is made out wide, and Tottenham lose a duel, suddenly it becomes very easy to run through the team.

Asking one of the wingers or full backs on the opposite side of the ball to leave their opponent and act as a spare man infield may give the team the cover to deal with these breaks.


Should post that in the Ange thread, I think it would be greatly received šŸ‘€
 
For Spurs I think it stands out that Son and Madders are the most creative. I've mentioned this before and I think their lack of mutual involvement in the game is seriously damaging our chances to be a force in the attack. One creative player is often not enough. It takes a similar mind to understand what the other is going to create, and Son and Madders are really similar.

Happened against Newcastle when they came on. We saw it against City (4-0) and against Southampton (5-0 in 45 min).

Kulu is also creative, but as the graph shows, not so efficient. He fell in love with himself last few weeks and is now taking extremely long on the ball. He's also our slowest player so should be the one driving it forward. He's good for locking up defences but he shouldn't be the one dictating.

Maddison never really got his place back after his injury against Chelsea. He doesn't even start nowadays. It's clear what we're missing.

This is what's so frustrating with Ange. He just doesn't get it.

Bang on - we sold the other one we had, Lo Celso.
In addition to that - we have some relatively very non creative players out of the four attacking players we play.
Johnson and Solanke - are virtually incapable of doing anything other than a - b . neither can ( or very rarely ) score from anything other than a very good chance. When they both play , along with Richi and Werner and Biss and Sarr - we are always likely to be very labored and predictable going forward.

For all the talk of Ange being gung ho - he is gung ho in the wrong way.
It would be much better for him to attack with very creative players and let the defenders defend .
Than try and do with defenders - and who have limited attacking prowess ( compared to real attacking players ) and additionally it leaves you more open at back. As complimentary addition to attacks , sometimes - it is fine - but not the way we try and do it.
You do wonder how lacking in critical thinking skills some are - it is so fucking obvious .
 
Bang on - we sold the other one we had, Lo Celso.
In addition to that - we have some relatively very non creative players out of the four attacking players we play.
Johnson and Solanke - are virtually incapable of doing anything other than a - b . neither can ( or very rarely ) score from anything other than a very good chance. When they both play , along with Richi and Werner and Biss and Sarr - we are always likely to be very labored and predictable going forward.

For all the talk of Ange being gung ho - he is gung ho in the wrong way.
It would be much better for him to attack with very creative players and let the defenders defend .
Than try and do with defenders - and who have limited attacking prowess ( compared to real attacking players ) and additionally it leaves you more open at back. As complimentary addition to attacks , sometimes - it is fine - but not the way we try and do it.
You do wonder how lacking in critical thinking skills some are - it is so fucking obvious .
I think our second most creative player happens to be Pedro Porro who also happens to be a defender that goes on adventures out of position all the team leaving us more wide open in the back than bonnie blue
 
Bang on - we sold the other one we had, Lo Celso.
In addition to that - we have some relatively very non creative players out of the four attacking players we play.
Johnson and Solanke - are virtually incapable of doing anything other than a - b . neither can ( or very rarely ) score from anything other than a very good chance. When they both play , along with Richi and Werner and Biss and Sarr - we are always likely to be very labored and predictable going forward.

For all the talk of Ange being gung ho - he is gung ho in the wrong way.
It would be much better for him to attack with very creative players and let the defenders defend .
Than try and do with defenders - and who have limited attacking prowess ( compared to real attacking players ) and additionally it leaves you more open at back. As complimentary addition to attacks , sometimes - it is fine - but not the way we try and do it.
You do wonder how lacking in critical thinking skills some are - it is so fucking obvious .
Yes, it really should be quite obvious. Look how Liverpool plays. It's simple, straightforward football. Let their attackers do the attacking. Of course they are backed up too, but not the way Ange is trying to make the defenders forwards.

Another spectacular stat is that under Ange, Son has been the most chasing and pressing forward in all the worlds top leagues. Ange takes one of the finest finishers the world has to offers and, at 32, makes him chase the ball until he's ran into the ground. Is it really that surprising that we're 16th as things currently stands?
 
Really good unbiased piece.
Way too soft on the manager.

30 seconds into the game and it's the most uncoached mess you've ever seen in your life. Inexcusable. The injuries are irrelevant: he's got his first choice midfield pivot available (Biss & Sarr on the bench) and literally none of them are occupying the huge gaping hole in front of our centre backs. Our number 6 is on the right back. Three unmarked Villa players in the middle of the pitch. Never seen anything so ridiculous in my life.

The worst thing is we see it every week. Last month I wrote a big long post on Leicester's first goal. It featured Porro late to pressing the left back, Bentancur coming over to help, and—you guessed it—a great glaring hole in the middle of the pitch right in front of our centre backs. Absolute carbon copy.

This sort of nonsense football doesn't take a genius to analyse or tons of stats to figure out what's going on. It's utter, uncoached garbage. Actually I say it's uncoached, in fact it's even worse because clearly Ange is coaching them to do this stupidity. It's a man-to-man press without any of their men being fucking marked. Makes you wonder what on earth they spend all week doing in training.

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Way too soft on the manager.

30 seconds into the game and it's the most uncoached mess you've ever seen in your life. Inexcusable. The injuries are irrelevant: he's got his first choice midfield pivot available (Biss & Sarr on the bench) and literally none of them are occupying the huge gaping hole in front of our centre backs. Our number 6 is on the right back. Three unmarked Villa players in the middle of the pitch. Never seen anything so ridiculous in my life.

The worst thing is we see it every week. Last month I wrote a big long post on Leicester's first goal. It featured Porro late to pressing the left back, Bentancur coming over to help, and—you guessed it—a great glaring hole in the middle of the pitch right in front of our centre backs. Absolute carbon copy.

This sort of nonsense football doesn't take a genius to analyse or tons of stats to figure out what's going on. It's utter, uncoached garbage. Actually I say it's uncoached, in fact it's even worse because clearly Ange is coaching them to do this stupidity. It's a man-to-man press without any of their men being fucking marked. Makes you wonder what on earth they spend all week doing in training.

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But he makes the point that when everyone was fit and available we were much better structurally - and he shows the data that supports that.

There were still flaws and we weren’t perfect - it’s a high intensity with risk system- but things turn to shit when you have 8-9 first team players out, and you are using kids with limited experience (as that piece highlighted) all over the pitch.

That piece showed people are still trying to do the right things, but the reserve/youth personnel just aren’t as good at doing them.

It isn’t black and white, there’s flaws/weaknesses in the system as well as the horrendous injury clusterfuck (which Angeball contributes to some extent) as well as really poor recruitment that left us with a really inadequate squad.

But the text remains, and underlying metrics show, we were doing a lot of decent work pre injury crisis.
 
But he makes the point that when everyone was fit and available we were much better structurally - and he shows the data that supports that.

There were still flaws and we weren’t perfect - it’s a high intensity with risk system- but things turn to shit when you have 8-9 first team players out, and you are using kids with limited experience (as that piece highlighted) all over the pitch.

That piece showed people are still trying to do the right things, but the reserve/youth personnel just aren’t as good at doing them.

It isn’t black and white, there’s flaws/weaknesses in the system as well as the horrendous injury clusterfuck (which Angeball contributes to some extent) as well as really poor recruitment that left us with a really inadequate squad.

But the text remains, and underlying metrics show, we were doing a lot of decent work pre injury crisis.
What does we were doing a lot of decent work pre injury crisis mean
My memory tells me we haven't played that well in the Europa full stop and as for Coventry away club mouthpiece said we stunk the place out for 72 minutes .I know you like charts so put up the PL table for when the injury crisis struck.
 
What does we were doing a lot of decent work pre injury crisis mean
My memory tells me we haven't played that well in the Europa full stop and as for Coventry away club mouthpiece said we stunk the place out for 72 minutes .I know you like charts so put up the PL table for when the injury crisis struck.

If you have a look back through this thread you will find loads of data/metrics posted before and after injury crisis and some showing linear evidence relating to the drop off of certain facets post injuries.
 
What does we were doing a lot of decent work pre injury crisis mean
My memory tells me we haven't played that well in the Europa full stop and as for Coventry away club mouthpiece said we stunk the place out for 72 minutes .I know you like charts so put up the PL table for when the injury crisis struck.
The Coventry and Europa performances are something that has been consistent over multiple managers: When you rotate out the first team and bring in the backups and kids the performances stink. Whether that’s because they are unmotivated or because the club never gives the managers a squad with genuine depth.
 
Way too soft on the manager.

30 seconds into the game and it's the most uncoached mess you've ever seen in your life. Inexcusable. The injuries are irrelevant: he's got his first choice midfield pivot available (Biss & Sarr on the bench) and literally none of them are occupying the huge gaping hole in front of our centre backs. Our number 6 is on the right back. Three unmarked Villa players in the middle of the pitch. Never seen anything so ridiculous in my life.

The worst thing is we see it every week. Last month I wrote a big long post on Leicester's first goal. It featured Porro late to pressing the left back, Bentancur coming over to help, and—you guessed it—a great glaring hole in the middle of the pitch right in front of our centre backs. Absolute carbon copy.

This sort of nonsense football doesn't take a genius to analyse or tons of stats to figure out what's going on. It's utter, uncoached garbage. Actually I say it's uncoached, in fact it's even worse because clearly Ange is coaching them to do this stupidity. It's a man-to-man press without any of their men being fucking marked. Makes you wonder what on earth they spend all week doing in training.

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I agree. Normally he’s good but I thought that very lazy analysis. He says at the start he’s already done a video on spurs. I might watch/rewatch that.
 
I agree. Normally he’s good but I thought that very lazy analysis. He says at the start he’s already done a video on spurs. I might watch/rewatch that.
He did a Tel video. Was better. Highlighted a few concerns I had about Tel (wrong fit, looks like an inside left forward similar to Son) but again goes too overboard on the positives based presumably on some flashy highlight reels.

I find that all those content creators have an incentive to be "excessively positive" when talking about clubs' players or managers because naturally those videos will attract their fans, and typically fans of a club don't want to hear about their new signings or their manager being shit.
 
But he makes the point that when everyone was fit and available we were much better structurally - and he shows the data that supports that.
Guess I just fundamentally disagree.

We had our entire first XI available for the latter portion of last season, that horrific 10 game run, and foreshadowed many of the problems we were to continue having this year. Clery doesn't touch on it at all.

Also yes if you look at the stats we weren't quite as bad in the early games, often losing them by a goal. But if you watched the games and not just the stats, you'd see players tearing through empty midfields, terrible defensive structure, pressing gone all wrong.

Off the top of my head I'm talking: Leicester second half collapse, Newcastle 2nd goal Joelinton strolling through our midfield with Romero asleep, Coventry shitshow, Brighton second half meltdown, Palace collapse. Woolwich another limp home defeat. All the signs were there. All those games with basically our first XI available.
There were still flaws and we weren’t perfect - it’s a high intensity with risk system- but things turn to shit when you have 8-9 first team players out, and you are using kids with limited experience (as that piece highlighted) all over the pitch.
I push back on the "9 first teamers out". We have that number of squad players out. But we have 2/3 of our first choice attack available, 5/6 of our first choice midfield available. Defence we're missing big numbers but those aren't the cause of our problems in our high press that we exhibited the other day, which was Clery's argument.

Who coming back is supposed to fix the first goal we conceded against Villa? This is a problem of structure, of coaching, not personnel. Iraola is missing just as many squad members and his pressing has not suffered at all, because his team is properly coached. Ours isn't. That's the difference.
 
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