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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Funny thing about Gil is that he always looked OK vs City. Remember he broke out of defense and helped set up a goal
Conte's quality, and his limitations, are clear as day. A rather silly thing to be arguing about.Technically, though, he still won fuck all there.
He has a habit of saying "If you give me the best team in the league and the biggest budget, I will won a trophy" which is a bit like claiming you can win any race as long as you have the biggest and fastest car/horse.
A lot of the managers who are "the best" on paper really do float by on that technicality.
Would anyone really say they remember Ancelloti at Everton, based on his record everywhere else? different job when you're not destined to win
Yea i dont undersrand this at all and its always the same.
Jol - 1 Dutch cup
Redknapp - 1 FA Cup in 20 years of management
Poch - Nothing
It doesnt make you a bad manager, its just a reflection on who you've managed. Santini, AVB, Mourinho had all won league titles and were hopeless here.
Results just get clearer and clearer
The overwhelming majority of fans I see online, irl and pretty much everywhere except and very vocal minority on here, want Ange to get a shot at Season 3.
See the post whereFightingIllini said that team drew 3-3 at the Etihad
But he didn't "finish 5th" with that team, that's the point I wanted to make. It was part of a 5 game run with no wins
two games later it was pretty much the same squad he has now
Yes but then there are those like Jose who won things everywhere they’ve been, regardless of level.
Jose being one of them.
Like it or not, Ange winning a major European trophy also makes him one of those.
You can say it’s luck or circumstance but it cheaper isn’t when they find a way to do it everywhere. In Ange’s case even Tottenham Hotspur
You’re the one being homophobic by insinuating there’s something wrong with such behaviour.
Utterly clueless you are
Disagree.
They are minnows.
They and Bournemouth punch well above their weight while bigger teams falter.
I think if you polled any number of people, you'd be in a minority of 1 saying that isn't true.
That’s not what you said, you said he never used it.
And he did finish 5th having to use lineups like that, after selling Harry Kane.
Narratives can’t make that an untrue statement of fact.
Yeah this place is wild. If we keep Ange and get top 4 next year I still think most on here would want him gone.
The fans at the games are definitely more split. I do think the ones on twitter are a bit overly positive though. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
he's been in hiding posting from his burner accounts for two weeks living on dodgy kofta and tooling around in a fiesta
But that isn't the argument. It was:
He got sacked from Arezzo once, went back and they were relegated with him there.
At Atalanta he was shite and fell out massively with the fans and resigned with them in 19th.
With Italy he got knocked out in the quarter finals of Euro 2016.
All of these things are failures and places where he didn't win titles. As noted, what he needs is extreme when compared to pretty much other managers. He makes pep look low maintenance.
(point being, we aren't an outlier and didn't fail him - he did a decent job here but didn't really do as well as I'm sure we all hoped he might)
Poch was an up and coming manager when we hired him... he hadn't reached his ceiling. Frank is 51. Has nothing new to offer the game and hit his ceiling long ago which is why no bigger club has ever seriously thought about offering him their manager job.
Redknapp did win an FA Cup (more than Frank has achieved)
AVB won the Portuguese League (undefeated) the Portuguese Cup and the Europa League all in one season (more than Frank has achieved).
Even Nuno won the fucking Championship (again more than Frank has achieved)
But let's continue playing your game where I am not allowed to pick the two winningest managers in football today.
Apart from Jose and Conte which trophy laden managers have we appointed in the last 20 years?
How about Ange - next question?
And so it begins….
Matt Law
Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy will face a compensation bill in the region of £4 million if he decides to sack Europa League-winning head coach Ange Postecoglou.
And that would be on top of the £2 million bonus Postecoglou earned for ending Tottenham’s trophy drought and guiding Tottenham into next season’s Champions League.
Postecoglou still has two years remaining on his Tottenham contract and it is understood the terms of his exit before that date were agreed prior to his appointment two years ago.
It is understood that Postecoglou has now returned to England from holiday and will soon be provided with clarityover his future.
Telegraph Sport reported in April that Postecoglou had been heading towards the Spurs exit regardless of whether his team won the Europa League.
Tottenham’s victory over Manchester United in the final and the resulting celebrations put Levy under huge pressure and left him with one of the toughest decisions of his long reign.
The price of replacing Postecoglou, should he decide to do so, could cost well over £10 million in total given that appointing his successor could also land Levy with a compensation bill. Brentford’s Thomas Frank is among the leading candidates to replace Postecoglou, along with Fulham’s Marco Silva
www.telegraph.co.uk
Matt Law
Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy will face a compensation bill in the region of £4 million if he decides to sack Europa League-winning head coach Ange Postecoglou.
And that would be on top of the £2 million bonus Postecoglou earned for ending Tottenham’s trophy drought and guiding Tottenham into next season’s Champions League.
Postecoglou still has two years remaining on his Tottenham contract and it is understood the terms of his exit before that date were agreed prior to his appointment two years ago.
It is understood that Postecoglou has now returned to England from holiday and will soon be provided with clarityover his future.
Telegraph Sport reported in April that Postecoglou had been heading towards the Spurs exit regardless of whether his team won the Europa League.
Tottenham’s victory over Manchester United in the final and the resulting celebrations put Levy under huge pressure and left him with one of the toughest decisions of his long reign.
The price of replacing Postecoglou, should he decide to do so, could cost well over £10 million in total given that appointing his successor could also land Levy with a compensation bill. Brentford’s Thomas Frank is among the leading candidates to replace Postecoglou, along with Fulham’s Marco Silva
Daniel Levy faces £4m compensation bill to sack Ange Postecoglou
Exclusive: Tottenham Hotspur chairman facing one of his hardest decisions with clarity over head coach’s future expected soon
www.telegraph.co.uk
It isn't narratives. The statement in the tweet was "Ange made this come 5th"
He didn't. He made it fail to win a game for 5 in a row.
He made a different arrangement of players come 5th.
i can't stand him as much as anyone and this just isn't true.
He finished 5th during the season when that was the squad he had
I excluded Jose and Conte because
1- they're not the norm, but your post seems to indicate that appointing Frank would be a deviation for us when in fact it's not
2- They came with glittering CVs and still achieved little except Year 1 Conte
And Ange - the Europa League with us is the only serious trophy he's ever won. So he didn't come with a hatful of Elite level success either.
And if you're writing off Frank at the ANCIENT age of 51, what the fuck were we doing appointing Ange at 57 despite the fact he'd never managed in a top league anywhere?