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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 72 64.3%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.7%

  • Total voters
    112
Well I can't give you any insight into the pain of child birth either Mrs P, but I hear you regards the pain being forgotten and I think now its time to forget the stats, plaudits and criticism of Ange and focus on looking forward with whoever comes in.
I'm a man so obviously I've never given birth. But I tell you what, I've still experienced that kind of pain plenty after Vindaloo nights (I do love my spicy food) or that monster you drop the morning after a big sesh on the booze.
 
For what its worth here's my reasons, and I suspect the reasons a very large percentage of Spurs fans wanted Ange out. 90% of the football he has been offering up these past 18 months in all comps, including the EL final, has been nothing short of turgid, complete and utter shite, week in, week out and showing us that he has little to no idea how to change it. Its either all guns blazing or no guns blazing (EL final as an example).
As a Spurs fan from the late 60's I want to see my beloved Tottenham play with flare, imagination and a swagger win, lose or draw. I don't see an ounce of any of that in an Ange Postecoglou Spurs side.

Just for a second, humour me and forget we won The EL. Would you still want AP as our manager? If so what are you seeing that I obviously can not, but if your reasoning is just because he won us long awaited silverware, then you would be telling me that you would be happy to (potentially) again in 25/26, watch the same shite week in, week out as long as we won a domestic trophy for example?

If this is the case then I'm guessing it must be a generational view of the game these days and one I will never understand my friend.
Thanks for a post that isn't just insults. Appreciate it.

Ok, so here's my nuance.

Had we prioritised league results despite the disastrous injuries we would maybe have finished between 8th and 12th. Instead he rotated and protected key players to get us through the Europa League knock outs. I agree with his strategy there given the context of known resources.

This season the injury crisis meant we had to blood youth to an extent we hadn't planned for. The benefits of that will not be seen for some time (possibly next year but definitely in years to come). The last remnants of the Loch era left the squad in Ange's first year, or they showed signs of age and decline. Due to the recruitment of youth (something I'm not opposed to) we had a perfect storm of lack of depth, experience, and fitness availability. I don't think Ange was the root cause of that.

He has evidently installed a winning mentality and a squad cohesion, perhaps a siege mentality, that I felt would become an irresistible force if the club supplemented it with decent quality recruitment this summer.

Your counterfactual is irrelevant because it didn't happen, but I'll indulge it.

Had he lost against Man United I think I would have been open to a change of manager and a new start. I would have felt sorry for Ange because I think he was dealt a difficult hand (fans used to challenging for champions league football, a great striker departing, an exodus of aging experience including many leaders), but I would have understood and moved on.

That did not happen though. We did win the Europa League. Ange's insistence on following his approach to the competition while balancing the pressure he was receiving from the press and club hierarchy is what delivered the trophy.

It was our first meaningful trophy since 1991 and vital in changing the club culture and outside perception, but yesterday we fired him.
 
Which is why people scoffing at the idea of a player unrest are deluded.

Ex players get hired so fast, mainly because they will have the respect of the dressing room.

Any manager going into Spurs now will notice that not one player spoke out to support Conte when he left. They are all coming out with personally written heart felt praise for Ange.

It’s really not going to be an easy dressing room to walk into.

Player unrest is bo!!ocks. Stop stirring FFS

The players are professionals, and they are Tottemham employees.

This will settle and as I maintain, 22 defeats is no sign of solidity. What bit do you not grasp of that?

If past players can't say the right things they should fcuk off.
 
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Player unrest is bo!!ocks. Stop stirring FFS

The players are professionals, and they are Tottemham employees.

This will settle and as I maintain, 22 defeats is no sign of solidity. What bit do you not grasp of that?

If no past players can't say the right things they should fcuk off.

Naive

We saw what dressing room unrest did to Nuno first half

Elite athletes don’t have long careers, they aren’t patient for every coach the same
 
Thanks for a post that isn't just insults. Appreciate it.

Ok, so here's my nuance.

Had we prioritised league results despite the disastrous injuries we would maybe have finished between 8th and 12th. Instead he rotated and protected key players to get us through the Europa League knock outs. I agree with his strategy there given the context of known resources.

This season the injury crisis meant we had to blood youth to an extent we hadn't planned for. The benefits of that will not be seen for some time (possibly next year but definitely in years to come). The last remnants of the Loch era left the squad in Ange's first year, or they showed signs of age and decline. Due to the recruitment of youth (something I'm not opposed to) we had a perfect storm of lack of depth, experience, and fitness availability. I don't think Ange was the root cause of that.

He has evidently installed a winning mentality and a squad cohesion, perhaps a siege mentality, that I felt would become an irresistible force if the club supplemented it with decent quality recruitment this summer.

Your counterfactual is irrelevant because it didn't happen, but I'll indulge it.

Had he lost against Man United I think I would have been open to a change of manager and a new start. I would have felt sorry for Ange because I think he was dealt a difficult hand (fans used to challenging for champions league football, a great striker departing, an exodus of aging experience including many leaders), but I would have understood and moved on.

That did not happen though. We did win the Europa League. Ange's insistence on following his approach to the competition while balancing the pressure he was receiving from the press and club hierarchy is what delivered the trophy.

It was our first meaningful trophy since 1991 and vital in changing the club culture and outside perception, but yesterday we fired him.
Spot on.
 
Player unrest is bo!!ocks. Stop stirring FFS

The players are professionals, and they are Tottemham employees.

This will settle and as I maintain, 22 defeats is no sign of solidity. What bit do you not grasp of that?

If no past players can't say the right things they should fcuk off.
I agree.

I can see why they liked Ange for his man management, but as soon as the next coach and his staff come in, start holding proper tactical training sessions, their eyes will be opened.

They'll enjoy playing in a solid team that doesn't get battered every week. It'll improve our chances in all comps, especially the domestic cups.

While the Europa was wonderful, cups are 9/10 times won by teams who are also doing well in the league*, not the abberration of our last season.

What I do want, however, is the Board to place more emphasis on winning cups than they have historically.


(* Newcastle and Palace two recent examples, along with the rest of the top 6.)
 

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The problem is he might've contributed to the injury crisis.

I wasn't expecting us to be this bad in the league even with the team we put out.
Very valid point that Ange’s style of play itself may have caused some of the muscular injuries. But good squad depth allows rotation to reduce that.

We’re sacking Ange but will we fix the root problem of our squad depth? No, in fact it looks like the opposite.
 
Did anyone that argues that we should have kept Ange watch the "football" we produced in the EL finals, against a pretty shitty United side? Always grateful for the win though.

He could leave a hero now or probably get fired in october instead.
 
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