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Only time will tell on this now, not sure i would have trusted ange another season.
It was the right decision to let him go, just think he completely underestimated the strength of the EPL.

I agree with the criticism of Ange in the league. I personally feel he would not have made the same mistakes in his third season. What I don't trust more is Levy to not make the same mistakes in his 25th season...
 
Taxes? What a disgrace!

Poor billionaires, won't someone stand up for them? Anyone?











What a cuck.

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Eh? I was explaining why he's rarely in the UK. It wasn't an expression of sympathy. It's the exact same reason why Lewis Hamilton wasn't a UK tax payer.

Are you lot that obsessed that you'll misread something on purpose to get your anger erections on
 
I am suggesting that it is beneficial to Woolwich if Spurs are nobbled.

This goes back to Sir Henry Norris moving them to N5.

Since then we have taken Terry Neill and George Graham while letting them take Pat Jennings and Sulzeer Jeremiah Campbell on these fella's watch.

Spurs got Rohan Ricketts and Bentley.

Is it really a coincidence?
Some of you lot just don't go back far enough , what about Jimmy Robertson , Laurie Brown and Willie Young.
 
As for ROI it's much more than that. as far as revenue is concerned. Levy is the highest paid chairman in the PL.

That's another lazy generalisation. He isn't. He has been on different occasions, but a lot of it comes down to the roles at clubs - there aren't as many traditional CEO/Chairman roles like the one he performs, but it is now Berrada, since he left City for Man Utd. Ferran Soriano (Man City) is 2nd highest, and was highest in the year before.



I think if I keep discussing this issue it's just going to keep going around in circles and I don't have anything else to add that I haven't already said, so I don't see any value in continuing the discussion.

It doesn't help if you keep bringing up stuff that is not factual. These statements come across like you just want the last word
 
Way things are going nobody will have anything to moan about soon, so Levy is not the highest paid Director/CEO in the PL the bloke at Manure is and we just beat them four times this season , Ratcliffe should cut his pay.

And according to the latest UEFA financial survey were slipping down the most expensive table on ticket prices.
Average gate yield per match per fan in euros
PSG 137 euros
Barca 118
R Madrid 102
Woolwich 102
Spurs 96

Only leaves the wage/revenue ratio to moan about :)
 
Way things are going nobody will have anything to moan about soon, so Levy is not the highest paid Director/CEO in the PL the bloke at Manure is and we just beat them four times this season , Ratcliffe should cut his pay.

And according to the latest UEFA financial survey were slipping down the most expensive table on ticket prices.
Average gate yield per match per fan in euros
PSG 137 euros
Barca 118
R Madrid 102
Woolwich 102
Spurs 96

Only leaves the wage/revenue ratio to moan about :)

If we had the highest wages/revenue, people would moan about that instead.

It's all just an allegory for the lack of success relative to league-winning clubs. "Must be the owners/chairman" instead of just accepting that we've got a very long way under this ownership, considering where we were.

What's daft now is that there are kids under 25 who are indoctrinated to the nonsense that they were born into supporting a title-winning team. We've only won the league twice in over 140 years, and the last one was what? 64 years ago?
So to actually be in a position to be cognisant of the last time Spurs won the league, you'd have to be 70 - and then you'd surely have become quite used to seeing the club not win the league for the past 60-odd years.

I've not seen anyone attribute the EL to the owners as much as they attributed not winning a trophy to the owners.
 
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If we had the highest wages/revenue, people would moan about that instead.

It's all just an allegory for the lack of success relative to league-winning clubs. "Must be the owners/chairman" instead of just accepting that we've go a very long way under this ownership, considering where we were.

What's daft now is that there are kids under 25 who are indoctrinated to the nonsense that they were born into supporting a title-winning team. We've only won the league twice in over 140 years, and the last one was what? 64 years ago?
So to actually be in a position to be cognisant of the last time Spurs won the league, you'd have to be 70 - and then you'd surely have become quite used to seeing the club not win the league for the past 60-odd years.

I've not seen anyone attribute the EL to the owners as much as they attributed not winning a trophy to the owners.
Absolutely agree,throughout the history of Spurs we have rarely put in a title challenge in the First Div/PL , the 2nd under Poch was the best since the sixties , I don't really understand all the expectations.

Problem these days is the internet and Sky, Talkshite , BBC etc pundits, before they all started a post mortem after every game , you just accepted we were beaten by a better team on the day and just thought about the next match.
 
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Absolutely agree,throughout the history of Spurs we have rarely put in a title challenge in the First Div/PL , the 2nd under Poch was the best since the sixties , I don't really understand all the expectations.

Problem these days is the internet and Sky, Talkshite , BBC etc pundits, before they all started a post mortem after every game , you just accepted we were beaten by a better team on the day and just thought about the next match.

Realistically, all that has changed between the 60s and the modern era, for spurs, is that the FA Cup (£2m, EL) and League Cup (£100k, ECL) isn't really worth anything, financially, to PL clubs so there's not a great deal of motivation for focusing on it if you're finishing in the European spots in the league anyway.

We've got to 5 League Cup finals over the ENIC years (01/02, 07/08, 08/09, 14/15, 20/21) and 4 semi finals (06/07, 18/19, 21/22, 24/25) and 4 FA Cup semis (09/10, 11/12, 16/17, 17/18), so the cup performances haven't been a million miles off us competing for things. To a certain extent, though, winning the FA Cup regularly was something to sing about, but didn't push us forwards as a cup any more than it has for Woolwich. Once it is won, no one really gives a fuck (not least the people who were using 'trophies' as a main focal point of their criticism, and haven't particularly acknowledged the EL win)
 
Written on behalf of owners but for fans an FACup might not mean much if you win it frequently but we have not won it since 1991. Far too long. Whilst a semi final of if losing final does not do it, winning the FACup would give me greater joy than getting into the CL again.
 
Written on behalf of owners but for fans an FACup might not mean much if you win it frequently but we have not won it since 1991. Far too long. Whilst a semi final of if losing final does not do it, winning the FACup would give me greater joy than getting into the CL again.

I guarantee you if the club won an FA Cup, it would register less than the EL win for most of the fan base. It has been diluted into a 3rd rate competition by, basically, neglect from the FA. Started when Fergie boycotted it for the CWC 25 years ago.

So even though it would mean something for older fans, it has no financial incentive or worthwhile reward for the top 6 or 7 PL teams over finishing in those places. That isn't me devaluing it, it is just how the modern game is now.

You can tell from the player's efforts in the domestic cups that they feel the same. Those trophies don't have the gravitas they did before the european competitions grew to be, basically, european equivalents
 
I guarantee you if the club won an FA Cup, it would register less than the EL win for most of the fan base. It has been diluted into a 3rd rate competition by, basically, neglect from the FA. Started when Fergie boycotted it for the CWC 25 years ago.

So even though it would mean something for older fans, it has no financial incentive or worthwhile reward for the top 6 or 7 PL teams over finishing in those places. That isn't me devaluing it, it is just how the modern game is now.

You can tell from the player's efforts in the domestic cups that they feel the same. Those trophies don't have the gravitas they did before the european competitions grew to be, basically, european equivalents
I do not care about the financial incentive and nor should most fans. For 17 years we have not won anything. This cannot be allowed to happen again. It might not register as highly as the Europa Cup with fans but more than just a CL place.
 
I do not care about the financial incentive and nor should most fans. For 17 years we have not won anything. This cannot be allowed to happen again. It might not register as highly as the Europa Cup with fans but more than just a CL place.

And yet the guy who "liked" your post does nothing but bang on about us not being 'financially competitive'. Do you see the contradiction there?

Fans want to see their team win football games, and you can't attract players by finishing in the bottom 5 places and picking up £2m prize money for an FA Cup
 
I am suggesting that it is beneficial to Woolwich if Spurs are nobbled.

This goes back to Sir Henry Norris moving them to N5.

Since then we have taken Terry Neill and George Graham while letting them take Pat Jennings and Sulzeer Jeremiah Campbell on these fella's watch.

Spurs got Rohan Ricketts and Bentley.

Is it really a coincidence?
On what fella's watch? Are you suggesting that a succession of Spurs chairman have been secretly trying to damage the club, and help Woolwich since the start of the 20th Century when they moved close by?
 
I find it hard to believe that Barça are top of that list. The facilities at Nou Camp were pitiful, even by low Spanish standards, and they have played at the Olympic Stadium for the past two seasons which has a capacity of 55k (most of whom will be ST holders).
TBH I don't know what to believe with these things posted on the internet, and I don't know how some of these websites get to know players salaries and the terms of their contracts etc... I don't know why people working at UEFA would spend their time collecting data about match day revenue for each club in Europe.
 
And yet the guy who "liked" your post does nothing but bang on about us not being 'financially competitive'. Do you see the contradiction there?

Fans want to see their team win football games, and you can't attract players by finishing in the bottom 5 places and picking up £2m prize money for an FA Cup
There is a big difference in finishing in the bottom 5 places than failing to win the FACup in 34 years. We won it 6 times between 1961 & 1991. It consists of 6 matches now replays scrapped in the 2nd part of the season. Even if the whole starting 11 were rested before each round which I am not advocating it should not lead to ending up in the bottom 5 places. Giving the FACup a higher priority could make the difference of ending up 4th than say 7th. Given the choice of 4th & no cup or 7th & an FACup, I would not hesitate to take the latter for the loss of a couple of £m in PL prize money.
The message previous Managers have sent out to the players by putting our 2nd string team in FACup matches has shown in some of the dire performances against much lower opposition. The other top 6 clubs win theFACup & it is well overdue for us to do so as well.
 
There is a big difference in finishing in the bottom 5 places than failing to win the FACup in 34 years. We won it 6 times between 1961 & 1991. It consists of 6 matches now replays scrapped in the 2nd part of the season. Even if the whole starting 11 were rested before each round which I am not advocating it should not lead to ending up in the bottom 5 places. Giving the FACup a higher priority could make the difference of ending up 4th than say 7th. Given the choice of 4th & no cup or 7th & an FACup, I would not hesitate to take the latter for the loss of a couple of £m in PL prize money.
The message previous Managers have sent out to the players by putting our 2nd string team in FACup matches has shown in some of the dire performances against much lower opposition. The other top 6 clubs win theFACup & it is well overdue for us to do so as well.

Surely that's a question for those managers as opposed to the board then?
 
That's another lazy generalisation. He isn't. He has been on different occasions, but a lot of it comes down to the roles at clubs - there aren't as many traditional CEO/Chairman roles like the one he performs, but it is now Berrada, since he left City for Man Utd. Ferran Soriano (Man City) is 2nd highest, and was highest in the year before.





It doesn't help if you keep bringing up stuff that is not factual. These statements come across like you just want the last word
The data you posted a link to there is from 2023. Levy had a £3 million bonus that year.

''Levy's pay rose from £3.265million to £3.581million over the year, while he also received a £3million bonus, which has left fans once again seething with the controversial Spurs boss.''

But you're probably right that he's not always the highest paid chairman. I suspect that both the Manchester teams pay their players higher wages than Spurs do.

I don't actually care who has the last word, i'm fed up with talking about this now, if you want me to say that you're right and i'm wrong so be it.
 
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