Well the odds, based on statistical analysis proven effective over many years, disagree with you.
That’s cool but since Poch really, anything below 5th has been a bad season
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That’s cool but since Poch really, anything below 5th has been a bad season
Between these weird circumstances and the general nature of a manager's first season, I think it's definitely true that the criteria of success are more qualitative than quantitative.
0 chance of that being the midfield 3. Highly doubt Johnson on the left too
I don't think there is any doubt that Thomas Frank is a student of the game along with being a smart manager of personalities, plus he has a quiet self-assurance about him.
I believe if given the support (financial) of Enic we are going to see an era at THFC like no other, like we would have done had Poch been supported when it was obvious to everyone and his brother this was needed!
The "support" so far seems positive/progressive.
Its just a case now of what people consider success to look like. For me its CL qualification year on year and silverware (including the EPL title) tri-annually. This is how confident I am about Frank, as long as he is supported!
Supported = £200m+ over the 2 windows season on season.
I believe if given the support (financial) of Enic we are going to see an era at THFC like no other, like we would have done had Poch been supported when it was obvious to everyone and his brother this was needed!
The "support" so far seems positive/progressive.
Its just a case now of what people consider success to look like. For me its CL qualification year on year and silverware (including the EPL title) tri-annually. This is how confident I am about Frank, as long as he is supported!
Supported = £200m+ over the 2 windows season on season.
Since Jol anything below 5th was seen as a failure.
Poch raised that to 4th, until we "rebuilt" under Ange after conte and suddenly below that was acceptable.
The first two games should show us a bit of his "flexibilty" Thinking we see something along these lines
Burnley:
Vic
Porro Romero VDV Udogie
MGW Bentancur
Kudus Maddison Son
Solanke
Man City:
Vic
Romero Danso VDV
Porro MGW Bentancur Bergvall Udogie
Johnson/Kudus Solanke
I'll apologies in advance..... Fuck Ange and his school boy approach to the game.Meh, it's just nonsense because people are comparing Ange's first season and expecting Frank to match or better totally ignoring the context of the other teams and the fact that we're in Europe as well, it's a non comparison and both should be judged by their own merits.
If Frank finished 6th but we get to the QF of the CL and perhaps the final of the Carabao it's somehow a 'shit' season ok then...
Why has this great manager (NOT) been head hunted for a top job ANYWHERE in the world?
Completely agree that we are unlikely to set up like Brentford since Frank will have better players. However, the fact of the matter is that Frank for the last 4 years has been coaching a team to simply survive - not to win. With a win % of just 41% (yes, that's lower than Ange at Spurs).
Ange's winning attitude is what got Spurs their first major trophy in decades. It also exposed massive flaws in Spurs squad players ability and experience.
Clearly, Spurs haven't spent 800m on players over the last 4 years to finish top 6. There must be an expectation on the coach that we challenge for the title and in cup competitions. So the team needs to be set up to go out and win games - not to 'steal' a win.
If our current squad remains FIT - I believe we have a good enough squad to win the EPL. Get a good start and let the younger players focus on the domestic cups. However, if we are once again left with a different starting 11 week in, week out - it will be another season of inconsistency. Our best players (Romero, VDV, Kulu, Son, Madisson, Porro, Richarlison) have rarely been fit to play together, and with the injury record of some of those, it's hard to see next season being any different.
I agree that if we finish top six (or even top eight) and have a good run in the Champions League, or one or both of the domestic cups, then that would constitute a decent first season for Thomas Frank.Meh, it's just nonsense because people are comparing Ange's first season and expecting Frank to match or better totally ignoring the context of the other teams and the fact that we're in Europe as well, it's a non comparison and both should be judged by their own merits.
If Frank finished 6th but we get to the QF of the CL and perhaps the final of the Carabao it's somehow a 'shit' season ok then...
I think given the extra strain of a CL campaign, that would roughly be on a par with Postecoglou's first season too.
My issue with the above scenario is that a lot of the fanbase clearly think Ange was a terrible manager, and that virtually anyone could do a better job than him.
If the best we can expect from Thomas Frank is that he simply matches Postecoglou's record, then why get rid of Ange and appoint someone who is apparently no better?
Surely he has to show a big improvement on Ange's time here or what was the point in sacking one of the very few managers to win us a trophy?
Agreed but if you're comparing why judge Frank over 1 season when Ange was here for 2?
Ange done really well in his first year and had no Harry Kane but he didn't have any European football distraction and went out of the cups early, whilst Frank will have a better squad but CL football to contend with.
As I said each manager should be judged by it's own merits so simply saying Frank needs to match or finish higher than Ange did in his first season otherwise it's a shit season is lame and ignores a load of context.
What Ange failed to do over his 2 years was make this team consistent as well as continually improve the players and make us much harder to beat, we need the marginal gains and adaptability to win football matches and better use of subs and a tactical plan that actually makes sense...this is what Frank can improve on and we will be a better team for it.
Who cares
If he improves on Postecoglou's second season (assuming he makes it that long), we should build him a fucking statue.
And there-in lies the problem at Spurs - that Mourinho, Conte and Ange spoke of. There is no expectation to actually win. Going into the season aiming for top 8 and a good run in the cups is something that Palace and Everton aim for - not a team that has spent 800m+ building a squad as Spurs have.
Anything BUT a title challenge or a European Trophy should be considered a failure - and winning the Milk Cup won't make up for that.
Vic, Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie, Bent, Madisson, Deki, Son, Richarlison, Solanke, Kudus have enough quality to match our rivals, and in Grey, Bergvall, Tel, Odobert, Sarr, Kinsky we have some proven young players.
The lack of any realistic quality to back up Udogie/Porro is the biggest worry. Davies/Spence aren't good enough.
I think that is my point!
Ange's first season was just 41 matches. Think about that. One tie in the League Cup (disaster at Fools) and 2 in the FA cup.
And now look at our form in the last few PL matches - fell off a cliff and only beating relegated teams. Running on empty after 41 matches? That's probably the lowest since 1882!!!!
Terrible. The signs were all there. Any European matches and or a run in one of the cups and the PL form would collapse. I hate to think where we'd have ended up in the PL if we'd been in the CL playing decent teams.
Roughly on a par my arse.
Last season told us everything we needed to know about Ange and Frank.
The mighty Brentford 42% win rate.
Plucky underdogs Spurs 28%.
I think a full season is enough to dispel any myths about Ange.
So.....how well did Ange do by finishing, checks notes, 17th
Yeah it will be interesting to see how he changes it up between those 2 games
I think Son will be gone by the time the season starts though