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Manager Thomas Frank
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He was bought as a talent but has hardly played in midfield as yet due to Ange playing him everywhere but midfield last season. I think it is also fair to say when he has played in the middle he looks a little lost - not his fault but a consequence of his development being stalled.
I think we can point at the price tags for a lot of players and question the same.
I really hope he can turn it around, however like many managers before him he is dealing with years of Squad neglect , still lets be honest, we have a better squad than he had at Brentford, the pressure will be on him next home game and I hope he thrives on it and we see some of this attacking football he likes.
I am not, and have never been, "Frank Out".
You just don't want to properly understand what I'm saying because you're an Ange Deranger.
Coming out with crap like this, you dont deserve a successful team.
Why should players bother turning up for fans as ungrateful as this.
Yeah was very similar the the end of Conte era yesterday, where we had no out and just dropping deeper and deeper offering nothing in return.
The Bayern friendly at start of season was exactly the same and should have been a big caution to Frank when playing that way.
This never resinates well among us spurs fans, we either usually throw enough back or have a maverick to get us out the shit.
Unfortunatley our maverick is Richarlison.
Absolutely, but you don’t spent £40m on a talent. That was most of our transfer budget.
When you stump out that kind of money, I’d at least expect a player that’s going to make a difference. £40m on a midfielder that’s not ready or able to play in midfield is a massive misfire.
Bergvall, Sarr, etc etc. yeah, lower fees, I understand. But not Gray.
For the most part the plan was actually perfect, play scrappy, slow the goal down and score from nowhere, its just we didn't quite get the bit right about not conceding any goals!The more I think about the setup yesterday the more damming it is, 3-4-3 with 2 dm's that don't want the ball meaning you're playing with 7 defensive players on the pitch and not even a counter attacking threat as you had no-one to pick out passes (Porro benched), absolutely mental - like what was the actual plan here?
I'm talking about performance which was absolutely atrocious even though we may not have conceded for 34 minutes. We're missing maddison kulusevski and Solanke right now which would of been 3 of our highest output players from last season I would guess. So if we're going to give the excuse of the defence we played with that conceded so many can we use the same excuse at the other end and say what do you expect when you are missing 3 of your starting first 11 attacking players?
The players seemed to be despondent vs Woolwich, and the way VdV and Spence behaved after the final whistle vs Chelsea, together amounts to worrying signs for supporters. I'm not saying it's purely on the manager, but morale seems to be low, it's as though the players don't agree with what they're being instructed to do.
The problem with these sit back park the bus tactics is if the opposition score what do you do? We handed the momentum to Woolwich, and our negative defensive mindset put the players minds into thinking negatively. The team looked like a group of dysfunctional robots.
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It’s possible to think Frank is massively underperforming , to at the same time think ange was way out of his depth and had to be replaced and to also think the squad isn’t as good as it should be.
I was happy with Frank appointment but he’s been a massive let down so far, I’m not even looking at the results as much ,it’s more that I don’t see any patterns of play or any clear understanding of how we’re trying to play football. Playing for set pieces seems to be his only way of trying to break a team down, this would be unacceptable at any top 10 side let alone a team trying to be in the top 5.
I’m completely uninspired by his pressers, he’s putting way too much emphasis on “duels”. We could have won every 50/50 yesterday it still wouldn’t have helped us play out of the back and create any clear cut chances. He has to take a real look at his methods and how he’s setting us up otherwise he won’t be here very long. A bad performance at home to Fulham next week and things will get very very toxic.
I was happy with Frank appointment but he’s been a massive let down so far, I’m not even looking at the results as much ,it’s more that I don’t see any patterns of play or any clear understanding of how we’re trying to play football. Playing for set pieces seems to be his only way of trying to break a team down, this would be unacceptable at any top 10 side let alone a team trying to be in the top 5.
I’m completely uninspired by his pressers, he’s putting way too much emphasis on “duels”. We could have won every 50/50 yesterday it still wouldn’t have helped us play out of the back and create any clear cut chances. He has to take a real look at his methods and how he’s setting us up otherwise he won’t be here very long. A bad performance at home to Fulham next week and things will get very very toxic.
I think sometimes posters go over the top, but this might be right.
I still say let's see.
Frank, like Postecoglou (sorry for bringing that bloke into the conversation) must know this is highly likely to be the biggest club he will ever manage.
Whilst yesterday we were the underdogs, that is not the position Spurs fans want it to appear in too many matches.
Big few weeks for him to try and get the fans and maybe the board onside.
I stated not you personally. And what I'm highlighting is the hypocrisy of wanting a manger that made losing a habit here to Stay but yet a manager that has had 4 months and done no worse vs Woolwich and chelsea than the previous one to go. Like I said there was more performances like the one yesterday last season such as Liverpool away and at home in the league,Woolwich at home crumbling from 2-0 up at Brighton galatasaray away etc off the top of my head.
Crystal palace and Ipswich had a win a piece in their first 18 games combined both of those victories happened to be against us. So as much as I'll accept there's things Frank has to do to improve what's going on let's not pretend he's doing any worse than ange from last year. And if he gets the whole of last season after that then Frank definitely deserves more time than what he's currently being afforded by some.
You are onto something. I want a bunch of them gone. I cant be the only one.
They will leave one way or the other. And I hope that future players will have more grit and dedication than the group right now. Thats something the ownership and (maybe?) Frank has to make sure of.
Football these days is too data driven. Frank and Lange are data driven apparently. I couldnt give a fuck about XG in games. You go out to play, express your talent. Maradona, pele, messi and other great players from past didnt have all this xg data driven bollox. Even sky have some geeks on who probably cant kick a ball straight. The game is about talent.
Both this season and last season have had some terrible performances.For sure. But, you might want to post the teamsheets for the Liverpool and Palace games.
The Bournemouth game was a proper trouncing. We still put up .9 xG though (although my website has it as .62 which feels more like my memory of that terrible game)
