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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Great to see my mate Admin has merged the two threads and included the poll. The last thing we needed was a dozen different manager threads like we had with Big Ange!
 
Remember under Mourinho away to palace. 1 nil up early then just invited pressure most of match until palace equalised. Then we started to go for it in injury time. That was the beginning of the end for Mourinho as players downed tools. Imo I think players are following Frank's coaching but probably dont believe in his methods. Must beat fulham Saturday. Imo frank is antiquated.
 
Don Pedro said:
He had to leave Brentford eventually and take his chance at a top team. He interviewed for Chelsea and United last Summer but didn't get either job. Spurs this summer probably felt like the right time for him. No other top English team were looking for a manager.

Its a very tough job. Near impossible as the expectations are we should be competing for titles when we are years away from that being a reality. So in the meantime you have to bridge that gap while also keeping supporters onside. Winning derby games would be the best way to do that! That's how Arteta bought time. He won an FA cup early on but he always made sure his teams performed against Spurs and Chelsea. They were a mess for years, losing many poor games at home where they looked clueless on the ball. But they nearly always showed up against spurs and chelsea and that keeps supporters onside.

But the reaility is, Frank is failing and showing himself to be out of his depth. Managing lower table teams and making them hard to beat seems to be his speciality and unfortunately he is beginning to look like a one trick pony. Nearly 4 months into the season now and I don't think we've properly dominated any game of football or looked like a top team on the ball.
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Pep would beg to differ.

Had we not conceded in injury time to United, we would be in fourth place this morning.

But let's get rid of another manger?

Interesting you talk of Arteta, who really struggled at Woolwich for two plus seasons, but their directors shared his vision.

Something i believe the Spurs main board will do. Frank won't be fired anytime soon so we all better get used to going through the pain of a rebuild.
 
ElTel said:
We went to play defensively at Anfield just like we did yesterday.

However it made sense in the semi final cup game after already being a goal ahead in a two legged tie but not in a league game against your biggest rivals. The whole mindset was wrong, no attacking intentions or ideas whatsoever, yes we were missing 3 attackers but still Frank could have picked a different formation, he didn't need so many defensive minded players, the whole balance was wrong. 3 centre backs plus Palhina and Bentancur?? The irony is that we were so defensive but we're so easily opened up time and time again.

Its up to Frank, if he doesn't change his ways he won't be in this job beyond this season.
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He didn't get it right yesterday. Not the first time and he has a lot to prove. I also don't think it helps that what we clearly have in the attacking positions is completely inadequate and I'd say with atleast Maddison and Solanke you'd maybe be able to execute what he was trying to do yesterday. We were never going to outplay Woolwich and setting up to be resolute was the correct call to me as they have far better players than us,but then after that you need more than just a long punt up to a guy that has no hold up play.

But after 12 games we are there or there abouts as to where I expected us to be with this squad. I just think people need to remember these performances haven't just magically appeared here since Frank has rocked up. We've not taken a dramatic nosedive in form as 3 home wins this year plus our away form since last season shows that, but he does have to come up with a solution to our attacking play and our buildup. His midfield selection needs to start having press resistance in mind and the game intelligence to get us out of our defensive situations and turn them into attacking situations that asks the oppositions questions and gives them something to worry about.

I'm not happy with where we are as a club but you can't be sacking a manager that's done no worse in terms of results since he's been here than the last one after 12 games.
 
really feels like the beginning of a meltdown... again... i'm starting to think frank is a bit of a kook and isn't particularly liked or respected by the squad. the handshake crap was the first clue and then the increasingly awkward statements in the press. hard to say if it's frank's tactics or lack of players that is the biggest problem but what is clear is that the effort has dropped off... again... with the squad who seem like they can't be bothered. and this is starting to have a knock on effect with frank as he says dumb shit like 'who's eze?' and bringing up that we finished 17th last year. ffs i don't want to fire him this early but i don't see how this lasts if it stays on this path. we're so fucked
 
I know it kneejerk but i voted unsure ask me in few week. To send a spurs team out against our biggest rivals with not a single progressive player or tactic was a complete betrayal of our history and our DNA. He just doesn't get us. Fail to beat fulham and i fear it could be toast. To be fair if he loses to fulham, I'd be off to currys to buy the toaster.
 
_mehstg said:
We've got a better squad than all PL teams bar, City, Woolwich, Dippers, Chavs and Newcastle... I wouldn't swap our squad for any of the other 14 and don't anyway tell me Villa and United have better squads. They don't... with the Dippers imploding and Newcastle struggling with the weekend/midweek grind, this season was an opportunity to finish top four/five...
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Even if you are right about the quality of these squads, if Newcastle (who you say has a better squad than us) is struggling with the midweek grind, why do you think we would not? We just went all the way in Europa, playing two comps into May.
 
Stateside Spur said:
Even if you are right about the quality of these squads, if Newcastle (who you say has a better squad than us) is struggling with the midweek grind, why do you think we would not? We just went all the way in Europa, playing two comps into May.
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I really don't think there is any fatique issues here. Its got nothing to do with all the games unlike last year where players were visibly fatigued and pulling up injured.

This year I think we need the games. Its just not working and he needs to find a solution. The more games the better. The players aren't exactly breaking a sweat and we could have everyone back bar Maddison next month
 
Nobody3 said:
I maybe overthinking it, but there's something about Frank that makes me feel he doesn't want to upset the senior players, Richarlison, Bentancur, Paliniha, Romero, Vicario etc, so keeps selecting them over the likes of Bergvall, Gray, Sarr etc.

I guess what I'm saying is, is he strong enough?
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i had this fear early on with his rollout here but dismissed it because it's all juju/emotions crap but looking back now i think winning the squad's respect is a big deal and it's not going well. i think managers who didn't play at the highest levels can struggle with getting a squad onboard and i think it's doubly important at a club like spurs with less recent successes. that may have been poch's biggest strength and the players would've run through walls for him and believed him when he said things. really feeling the eyes rolling when frank speaks at the moment. not good!
 
Quick and honest question to follow sufferers here - can anyone describe to me - what is Thomas Frank main plan of progressing the ball from goalkeeper to attacking third?

It was already shown at some point that we rank dead-last in through-balls, having had 1 in 11 games (we can now say 1 in 12 I think). And it does go along with what I have seen. Is it really that Mickey and Romero should be booting the ball upfield and expect Richie to take it down? Or is it pattern of : Vicario -> VDV- > Romero -> VDV-> Bentancur -> VDV-> Udogie -> Bentancur -> Udogie -> Odobert ?

Both of those options seem madly off the mark to me. We need to get ball upfield QUICKLY and PRECISELY. As things stand I don't really see the plan for it. Anyone willing to explain (and again - it is honest question, I have my questionmarks but I am far from "Frank Out" gang).
 
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