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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?


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For those who are wanting a new manager, who is it you believe would have taken this group of players with the injuries the team has experienced and would have Spurs in the top four at the end of the season? Can you imagine a business that has had a spotty record of performance hire a managing director and 100 days or so in even think about making changes? I love Spurs, but sometimes in life the road to recovery is longer than a ride up to the end of the block.
 
For those who are wanting a new manager, who is it you believe would have taken this group of players with the injuries the team has experienced and would have Spurs in the top four at the end of the season? Can you imagine a business that has had a spotty record of performance hire a managing director and 100 days or so in even think about making changes? I love Spurs, but sometimes in life the road to recovery is longer than a ride up to the end of the block.
I think I can handle lower league positions if I was entertained. A few pulsating 2-2, or 3-3 draws, where we score and look like scoring. Anything to get some excitement, because the stats show that it's just not happening.

The playing style is dull, and the players, man for man, are better than the team is showing, so any manager who can get them working together and provide us with some entertainment, works for me. I recently saw Palace, Fulham and Bournemouth on TV, and their football was a lot more entertaining than our football. Perhaps that suggests Glasner or Iraola, or their like.
 
I think I can handle lower league positions if I was entertained. A few pulsating 2-2, or 3-3 draws, where we score and look like scoring. Anything to get some excitement, because the stats show that it's just not happening.

The playing style is dull, and the players, man for man, are better than the team is showing, so any manager who can get them working together and provide us with some entertainment, works for me. I recently saw Palace, Fulham and Bournemouth on TV, and their football was a lot more entertaining than our football. Perhaps that suggests Glasner or Iraola, or their like.
It is the impetus and the momentum (or lack of it) we don't display on the pitch.

I am not exagerating when I say besides probably Burnley, I think we are the worst side to watch in the league.

Even the likes of Leeds and Sunderland play better front foot football than we do. I tune in every week and I see teams like Bournemouth, Brighton, even Everton under Moyes, Forest under Dyche, they actually give it a go and seem to have belief in what they are trying to do.

I don't see it at all under Frank this season bar the very fleeting moment.

For me that is the biggest concern. Yes results have been shit, performances have been shit, but even just seeing us try to play the right type of football would be something to get behind.

I watched Cardiff against Chelsea Tuesday night and they gave them a far better game, played on the front foot, and really played some nice football.

Yet we couldn't even come close to that type of showing at home against Chelsea. Which to me suggests strongly that there is something seriously wrong with the team, manager and in the dressing room. It's not the quality of the players we have, by and large save a few upgrades, it has to be Frank.
 
It is the impetus and the momentum (or lack of it) we don't display on the pitch.

I am not exagerating when I say besides probably Burnley, I think we are the worst side to watch in the league.

Even the likes of Leeds and Sunderland play better front foot football than we do. I tune in every week and I see teams like Bournemouth, Brighton, even Everton under Moyes, Forest under Dyche, they actually give it a go and seem to have belief in what they are trying to do.

I don't see it at all under Frank this season bar the very fleeting moment.

For me that is the biggest concern. Yes results have been shit, performances have been shit, but even just seeing us try to play the right type of football would be something to get behind.

I watched Cardiff against Chelsea Tuesday night and they gave them a far better game, played on the front foot, and really played some nice football.

Yet we couldn't even come close to that type of showing at home against Chelsea. Which to me suggests strongly that there is something seriously wrong with the team, manager and in the dressing room. It's not the quality of the players we have, by and large save a few upgrades, it has to be Frank.
frank isn't helping and maybe is the worst kind of manager we can hire but our problems are bigger than the manager. our squad just doesn't want to compete week to week and that's been true for a long time. i don't know what the exact problem is or the fix but it's something like what we've complained about forever. soft players, no pressure, easy life, collecting checks, etc... until our squad gets the desire to compete and prove themselves or just have some fucking fun getting paid millions to play a game they allegedly love, we'll be stuck in this cycle forever. sunday league squads play harder and love the game more than we appear to and i don't know how to change that
 
When its like this its either (IMO)
- they dont believe in the tactics
- the tactics are unclear

Part of management is not technical, its emotional. Its getting players to buy into your vision, your ethos. Postecogolu was brillliant in this respect, clearly.

Then of course part of it is technical, can you get your ideas across? Can you get them to a point where they can act it out on the pitch?

IMO, when players look as clueless and devoid of imagination like ours do now - its because they dont know what theyre supposed to be doing. Which is fine in the early days of a managers tenure, can take a little time for the penny to drop.

How long is a fair period for this process?

Including the super cup I count 25 competitive games so far (+6 pre season), and for me this is at the point where that reasonable period of waiting to see things click is at its limit. We're near half way through the season, we should be seeing more than we are.
Spot on - if you put Simons in Man City's team he would run riot. Kudus on the wing for Liverpool would look like Diaz on steroids. Romero at the back for the Chavs would see them rarely concede. We've got good players but for some reason we don't have a good team. The only conclusion is the manager is not getting buy in or a tune out of the squad and for that reason...


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If you think it’s the same attack as last year it’s your “mathematical” knowledge that’s questionable.

Last season after MW16 in the premier league.

  • Brennan Johnson: 18 goals (11 in the Premier League, 7 in other competitions).
  • Dominic Solanke: 13 goals (in the Europa League).
  • James Maddison: 9 goals.
  • Dejan Kulusevski: 7 goals.
  • Heung-Min Son: 7 goals.
And assists.
  • Heung-Min Son: 9 assists
  • James Maddison: 7 assists
  • Pedro Porro: 6 assists
  • Dejan Kulusevski: 4 assists
  • Brennan Johnson: 3 assists
  • Timo Werner: 3 assists
  • Dominic Solanke: 3 assists

you see the problem here with your rather flawed evaluation of the situation??

Back to school laddie!!!
Maddison and Kulusevski are there, just injured, BJ is there, not playing.

I mean, we had no defence last season at all except for Porro and we conceded less goals, so it works both ways. Doesn't make up for losing over half your goals.
 
frank isn't helping and maybe is the worst kind of manager we can hire but our problems are bigger than the manager. our squad just doesn't want to compete week to week and that's been true for a long time. i don't know what the exact problem is or the fix but it's something like what we've complained about forever. soft players, no pressure, easy life, collecting checks, etc... until our squad gets the desire to compete and prove themselves or just have some fucking fun getting paid millions to play a game they allegedly love, we'll be stuck in this cycle forever. sunday league squads play harder and love the game more than we appear to and i don't know how to change that

I agree but the reality is the manager is the ONLY person who can change that. We certainly can't, Vinai and the board can't, all they can do is change the manager. So if Frank isn't doing it, we need to replace him and find someone who can.

I have a feeling the players don't really respect him. But then we had the same problem when Conte was here and he moaned about it.

I do agree that ultimately at the very heart of it is the culture of the club. It's something I blamed Levy for, as he set it from the top down and over 25 years we won fuck all. We were losers basically.

Now maybe 6 months isn't enough time to get rid of the culture Levy fostered, it probably isn't. Many of these players were brought in under Levy and they are used to it all being very comfortable, play without pressure, win some, lose some.

Ultimately it is going to come down to getting the right manager in, and then backing that manager to weed out the losers and build a winning culture.

The problem is, is Frank the man to back. I don't think he is, his philsophy and style of football isn't what we want. and I also think he's just too nice. He isn't what you want from an elite manager.
 
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