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Has VAR Ruined Football?

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Matt1882 said:
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This is why VAR is a load of bollocks.
If the ref doesn't give a penalty, they won't overturn if.
If the ref does give a penalty.....they won't overturn it.

What is the fucking point then!!!!!

It could have been so good for football. But it's been a never ending shit show.
All it does is highlight how small minded everyone in the refereeing world really is.
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I had assumed there was some by-law prohibiting refs from giving us penalties.

VAR is a non-solution looking for a non-problem.
 
manmountainbutters said:
I had assumed there was some by-law prohibiting refs from giving us penalties.

VAR is a non-solution looking for a non-problem.
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I think it was/is needed. There were far too many mistakes that really affected games badly.
But because the idiots that made the mistakes impliment it, it's still utterly gobshite.
It'd be so simple to fix. Remove referees from the VAR rooms. And stop this nonsense of only overturning something in certain circumstances.
It was either right or wrong. Check everything. Change what needs to be changed.
 
Matt1882 said:
I think it was/is needed. There were far too many mistakes that really affected games badly.
But because the idiots that made the mistakes impliment it, it's still utterly gobshite.
It'd be so simple to fix. Remove referees from the VAR rooms. And stop this nonsense of only overturning something in certain circumstances.
It was either right or wrong. Check everything. Change what needs to be changed.
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I disagree essentially. Though agree it could be retained and improved a lot. The biggest problem is the stripping of the game of spontaneous joy. That is inevitable with VAR in any guise.
 
If Iran does pull out there are 4 options really

Iraq - Best performing team in Group not qualified
UAE - Beaten in playoff, same region
Bolivia - Play off loser with best rank
Italy - highest ranked non-qualified team.

So there is a little bit of logic that Italy would replace them, but surely has to be Iraq or UAE
 
manmountainbutters said:
I disagree essentially. Though agree it could be retained and improved a lot. The biggest problem is the stripping of the game of spontaneous joy. That is inevitable with VAR in any guise.
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The joy thing I get but it is easily cured.
Most of the incidents are down to offside. The problem has been that they spend far too long looking for a way to rule a goal out. That's a referee mindset. Take the refs out of the decision and tell them "if you can't prove it's offside within 5 seconds of the ball hitting the net, it IS a goal"
You're in the territory then of it being almost immediate, same as the flag going up.
I also think it would be good for on field referees to be told they are the first line of refereeing and they are expected to get things largely right. If VAR is constantly correcting them then they get demoted/suspended. They blatantly don't make big decisions now, choosing to leave it to VAR to check for them. Then VAR don't check because they assume the ref saw it and decided it wasn't a penalty/red car etc.
 
Matt1882 said:
The joy thing I get but it is easily cured.
Most of the incidents are down to offside. The problem has been that they spend far too long looking for a way to rule a goal out. That's a referee mindset. Take the refs out of the decision and tell them "if you can't prove it's offside within 5 seconds of the ball hitting the net, it IS a goal"
You're in the territory then of it being almost immediate, same as the flag going up.
I also think it would be good for on field referees to be told they are the first line of refereeing and they are expected to get things largely right. If VAR is constantly correcting them then they get demoted/suspended. They blatantly don't make big decisions now, choosing to leave it to VAR to check for them. Then VAR don't check because they assume the ref saw it and decided it wasn't a penalty/red car etc.
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Nah... almost immediate removes spontaneity. That's the whole point. I'd remove it for everything other than maybe violent conduct off the ball (on the basis the ref can't watch everything). Agree re peformance management of refs.
 
manmountainbutters said:
Nah... almost immediate removes spontaneity. That's the whole point. I'd remove it for everything other than maybe violent conduct off the ball (on the basis the ref can't watch everything). Agree re peformance management of refs.
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You'd go back to hating refs for missing fouls etc in the box though.
It would also re-open the door to refs being excessively bias/bent if no one is checking them.
For me, we are in a world of (borderline) match fixing right now and it needs to be stopped. That won't happen if refs are given carte blanche to do what they want.
Independent VAR 's would without doubt have made consistent decisions regarding the Liverpool/Arse/Fulham "push goals"
 
manmountainbutters said:
Wtf is taking a top off a yellow anyway?????
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Key Reasons for the Rule:
  • Time-Wasting: Removing the shirt and putting it back on causes unnecessary delays in a game that does not have a stopped clock.
  • Sponsor Protection:Kit sponsors pay large sums for their logos to be seen; taking off the shirt hides this branding
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    • Preventing Political/Offensive Messages: It stops players from displaying personal, political, or religious messages on undergarments.
    • Cultural Sensitivity: Displaying a bare chest is considered disrespectful or offensive in certain cultures, as noted by FIFA.
    • Preventing Aggressive Celebration: It reduces the chances of provoking opposing fans or players

It definitely first appeared when a few players had certain political messages under their shirts.
And let's face it, Xavi's celebrations added much of the 8 minutes extra time we had. That shit needs to stop. Celebrate a 2 goal lead, maybe even 3.
 
Matt1882 said:
Key Reasons for the Rule:
  • Time-Wasting: Removing the shirt and putting it back on causes unnecessary delays in a game that does not have a stopped clock.
  • Sponsor Protection:Kit sponsors pay large sums for their logos to be seen; taking off the shirt hides this branding
    .
    • Preventing Political/Offensive Messages: It stops players from displaying personal, political, or religious messages on undergarments.
    • Cultural Sensitivity: Displaying a bare chest is considered disrespectful or offensive in certain cultures, as noted by FIFA.
    • Preventing Aggressive Celebration: It reduces the chances of provoking opposing fans or players

It definitely first appeared when a few players had certain political messages under their shirts.
And let's face it, Xavi's celebrations added much of the 8 minutes extra time we had. That shit needs to stop. Celebrate a 2 goal lead, maybe even 3.
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Maybe I am not the thin-skinned type, but I can live with the bare chest now and then. Must be hard for those who can't, navigating the digital world for a start.
 
El Noel said:
Premier League football is a business first, sport second.

When the main shirt sponsor is not being shown on the goal scorer’s shirt at the very moment when all the journalists are taking close up shots to be published all around the world, the money makers don’t like this.
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Yes, though it's becoming an ever less spontaneous, funless business (i.e. undermining part of what made it commercially attractive).
 
Matt1882 said:
You'd go back to hating refs for missing fouls etc in the box though.
It would also re-open the door to refs being excessively bias/bent if no one is checking them.
For me, we are in a world of (borderline) match fixing right now and it needs to be stopped. That won't happen if refs are given carte blanche to do what they want.
Independent VAR 's would without doubt have made consistent decisions regarding the Liverpool/Arse/Fulham "push goals"
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But even independent VARs will have their biases.
 
manmountainbutters said:
Maybe I am not the thin-skinned type, but I can live with the bare chest now and then. Must be hard for those who can't, navigating the digital world for a start.
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Imagine a player whipping his shirt off now and displaying something controvertial .
Free Palestine at Jewish Tottenham for example.
Some Refard racist bollocks.
You get the jist. It could easily trigger a riot.
That's what the rule is here for IMO.
 
Bill-bao Bob said:
Ah yeah I get ya.

They will be independent of the ref clique but you know they'll all still be Woolwich and Dipper fans!
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This is where I think there has to be a public facing regulator for both refs and the VAR.
And they absolutely MUST explain every decision. They cannot be allowed to dismiss things as "yeah but it's different"
If people's jobs are on the line for mistakes/biases etc, they will do better.
At the moment there's no repercussion.
 
Matt1882 said:
Imagine a player whipping his shirt off now and displaying something controvertial .
Free Palestine at Jewish Tottenham for example.
Some Refard racist bollocks.
You get the jist. It could easily trigger a riot.
That's what the rule is here for IMO.
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True. But you could just ban such messages. Even ban them on tattoos! Remember that right now it's just a yellow. So if you really felt strongly about Palestine, wouldn't you take a yellow for it?
 
manmountainbutters said:
I disagree essentially. Though agree it could be retained and improved a lot. The biggest problem is the stripping of the game of spontaneous joy. That is inevitable with VAR in any guise.
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You said: "VAR is a non-solution looking for a non-problem."

.......The suggestion that their wasn't a problem with poor officiating is ludicrous.
 
Airfixx said:
You said: "VAR is a non-solution looking for a non-problem."

.......The suggestion that their wasn't a problem with poor officiating is ludicrous.
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Ok, but note that I didn't define non-problem as "poor officiating".

The non-problem was the overall situation. In other words, was the game, people's enjoyment of, and its popularity, suffering because of officiating. Essentially no it wasn't. Without VAR the game's rise in popularity was phenomenal. And although yes, there were bad decisions (and still are), the upside of no VAR was huge. And we've lost that.
 
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