Yes - without a shadow of a doubt.
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Competition Is It Match Fixing?
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Just so people understand we arent the only team in the league
It is a complex situation insomuch as I don’t believe we are directly being cheated or victimised but we most certainly (along with probably every other team in the league) have had some extremely poor decisions given against us.
But for me the wider issue is potential corruption because of overseas betting markets. I’ve said before on another thread, to think the EPL is in no way exposed to corrupt officiating when we know it exists in pretty much every other sport where large scale betting takes place, is naive.
I also believe the introduction of VAR has given further opportunity to corrupt games as it is another level of officiating that can be approached for nefarious purposes and in many ways can be made easier to manipulate decisions.
I detest VAR but wouldn’t suggest this is a reason to get rid of it (there are plenty of good reasons already) but do think without it the risk of corruption reduces significantly.
But for me the wider issue is potential corruption because of overseas betting markets. I’ve said before on another thread, to think the EPL is in no way exposed to corrupt officiating when we know it exists in pretty much every other sport where large scale betting takes place, is naive.
I also believe the introduction of VAR has given further opportunity to corrupt games as it is another level of officiating that can be approached for nefarious purposes and in many ways can be made easier to manipulate decisions.
I detest VAR but wouldn’t suggest this is a reason to get rid of it (there are plenty of good reasons already) but do think without it the risk of corruption reduces significantly.
This bogus thing doesn't even discuss our match weeks Vs spammers handball incident which should have definitely been a penalty.
I'm playing devil's advocate here I know, but as those 'errors' are simply as voted for by a Squawka poll, doesn't that open it up to exactly the same (potential) bias? Having had a quick scan down some of those that affected us, I don't agree with the poll consensus. And I'm about as objective as you can get (being autistic, in most cases I can totally block off my Spurs supporting, and genuinely call it as I see it as if they were two other teams... not always, if emotions are running particularly high, but in most cases).
Whilst as others have said all teams get bad decisions over the years, it is a recent thing where we get much more than our fair share of bad decisions. The problem clearly is we do not wear red shirts like MU. Woolwich & Liverpool. I use to think we did ok against the other teams. It is since Kane left who as England captain was respected & I think given the benefit of the doubt sometimes ands got fouls awarded. Since Romero has been Captain, he clearly is not seen in the same category and we do not get decisions. Can he even speak good English as he does not do interviews in English or does he sound disrespectable to refs? Even when not playing it does not seem to be better. Is it the Jewish club reputation ?
No one has mentioned it but I was amazed that the Leeds GK was penalised for taking too long & we got a corner. That goes against everything going against us. However did not turn out to be important.
No one has mentioned it but I was amazed that the Leeds GK was penalised for taking too long & we got a corner. That goes against everything going against us. However did not turn out to be important.
I think the point is that people sometimes forget the Spurs bubble they live in
380 matches a season, probably close to 100,000 refereeing decisions taking place.
That's an exorbitant amount of data to just cherry-pick 4 or 5 things because they happened to Spurs and claim match fixing when you dont even bring in the objective decisions that have gone FOR us to counter your own narrative.
Id say it's pretty even, actually, when looking at most of the poll decisions of things in our games - if there was significant bias for or against us id expect to see them all one way or the other
Who is this imposter spoiling our fun!
Finally, something we can bond over.
Ive always liked you, mate.
That's hilariously awful
Just reading through some of the specific game week controversies, they fail to include one of the most obvious red card offenses away to Sunderland with the Brobbey incident so I am not sure how accurate this really is tbh.
Have you not seen the various charts posted upthread, that lay out just how differently we're treated?
3 (soon to be 4) penalty-less seasons. Almost 400 touches in the box on average per penalty, when for the next closest team it's 150 or so. The ridiculous amount of bookings, and sending offs, when we are far from being a dirty team.
You don't need to be 'living in a bubble' to think we're constantly getting fucked over by refs, and the PGMOL, and you don't need to 'cherry pick' anything. You just need to give the data more than a cursory glance to see the injustice.
It is (somewhat ironically) clear and obvious.
This is VAR specific - cant remember if VAR was used for that?
Ah you’re right. It did not go to VAR. That makes sense.
It does make sense, but it also adds weight to the argument that that analysis is flawed in terms of assessing whether or not we are / have been treated less fairly than others. (EDIT: Though I appreciate that Dudu wasn't implying that, he was only talking about VAR decisions as an example, to be fair).
I actually don't believe 'match fixing' is happening to us - just wild bias from refs and PGMOL, as well as gross incompetence that clouds the picture as that impacts everyone.
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Yes, that is one way we are getting fucked over.
The point is all teams are getting fucked over in some ways - some more than others.
PGMOL is shit, refs are inconsistent - but match fixing?? I don't see any conclusive evidence.
In terms of dirtiness, the volume of tackles we make is greater than most and yet, I posted a chart the other day that shows very little difference in terms of attempted tackles to cards given and for fouls to cards given
A conspiracy or match fixing would show a significant difference in how we are treated to everyone - the data doesnt show that to be true - except in penalties - but that alone doesnt point to anything unless - and you can tell me if this is true - the penalty claim we have not been given have been in a large enough number of games at important scorelines to show a trend.
Not having penalties is not the same as being denied penalties that should have been given
How many penalty claims have we had turned down this season - in which games, for which scorelines?
You want to look into a conspiracy, let's do it, but let's do it properly.
it shows when VAR is used - across the board.
To understand if we were being treated differently, you would need to assess every decision in every game - not just watch ours.
If a situation like Broby did not go to VAR how many similar incidents in similar matches did not go to VAR? Do you know? How many were called wrongly? Which team benefited from them?
From watching our games, I've seen far more important non-VAR decisions go against us than for us. I don't need to watch other teams to see the bias against us (though I appreciate there could be biases against other teams too).
(Note that I amended my earlier post whilst you were responding to it).
this one was pretty outrageous
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/1tcaz0w/jarred_gillett_ruled_this_out_too/
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/1tcaz0w/jarred_gillett_ruled_this_out_too/