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If Kane is with us when he is 26 then the training
ground is a sucess .
Levy will use it as a football factory , to save money
and sell players for profit .
Are we so stupid to think it will be anyhing else ?
 
All my expectations are there in the post you just quoted

I'm sure Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd and Woolwich fans have a similar list of expectations and yet i'm pretty sure most of them have had some of those expectations dashed.
I'm not sure if you go to games or not but for me supporting THFC is more than results, the Table and CL, it's about the day out, it's about the experience, it's a way of life and a massive part of my life.
I am over the moon when we win and I was beyond excited when we gained CL football and I am still as miserable as sin when we lose but that's football to a tee.
I have enjoyed this season so so much more than last season and that to me is massive progress.
Of course there are issues that need addressing and mistakes have been made but this is the Managers first season.
I can see so many positive signs with this team/squad and the ethics of this manager, the team spirit is as good as i've seen for a long time.
All i wanted was a season opposite to last season and that is exactly what I got so I am content on that score.
It will be interesting to see what business we do in the summer.
 
It does worry me & has done for a while that what Tottenham Massive Tottenham Massive says could become a reality & only time will tell . If KANE is sold in the next 2 years, should he continue to progress, then I think it'll be plain to see for everyone that this is the ploy . The huge difference if Harry goes is that he's one of our own whereas as Bale, Modric etc weren't . Selling him on would be a massive blow to us the fans .
 
If Kane is with us when he is 26 then the training
ground is a sucess .
Levy will use it as a football factory , to save money
and sell players for profit .
Are we so stupid to think it will be anyhing else ?
If we could sell, say, 5 Academy players for 10 million a piece it could offset a big chunk of the cost of the stadium. Not Kane, but some of the others for which we have other replacements coming through maybe.
We got 8 million a piece for Livermore and Caulker, so it is not out of the question.
 
If we could sell, say, 5 Academy players for 10 million a piece it could offset a big chunk of the cost of the stadium. Not Kane, but some of the others for which we have other replacements coming through maybe.
We got 8 million a piece for Livermore and Caulker, so it is not out of the question.

I thought Enic stated that the stadium will be funded by others? The area for the stadium is now purchased & the next step is getting investors ( according to the proposals)
 
Has turned out better than we all expected, but all I'm seeing is negative bullshit. We all accepted this would be a rebuilding year. We all accepted a 6-7th place finish. We didn't expect the rise of Kane, Mason and the continued development of Bentaleb. We didn't expect Rose to play like an international. We didn't expect Pritchard to kill it on loan, nor did we expect Spurs to buy one of the brightest midfield prospects in England. No one saw us destroying Chelsea 5-3. Spurs have the youngest squad in the prem, and, despite his shortcomings, a bright young manager that will only continue to grow with the squad.

All I ask is that you consider these things and get the hell over yourselves. We expected Spurs to be where they were in the table, but (a few games aside) nobody expected it to look this good going forward.

I don't think it's turned out better than I expected. We're where we were last season, 6th, and look at all the flak AVB and Sherwood took for that.

We've won nowt, again. So that's certainly not better than expected. We've looked good at times, but I don't think we've been exceptionally good going forward. Kane has been a great step forward for us, but many of our other attacking/creative players have been a real let down.
 
I think that people are massively overreacting (so surprising as this is Spurs) to how our season is playing out. Almost everyone said we had no chance at top four and now we look set to finish 5th or 6th. Makes sense. We also are probably going to have the Player of the Season plus it looks like we actually have a few players that look like top four quality or will develop to that level over the next couple of seasons.

However, if we once again bottle it this summer I think we need to start accepting the fact that ENIC are the problem. IMO, in sport, it is nearly impossible to win while having poor owners. We have one trophy in 13 years under ENIC and Levy's stewardship. While they have undeniably moved the club forward on the financial side, it reaches a point where if the financial success doesn't really help the footballing side then what is the fucking point? Football tickets have increased 700% in price since 2000 so it certainly isn't helping myself as a fan either.

If we have a problem it is in the boardroom. ENIC has had control of the club for 13 years now and we've had 9 managers all achieving very similar results. Yet, many continue to complain about Pochettino like he is the problem. What kind of club with "goals of top four" signs a new manager and then proceeds to spend 24m in his first summer? The only other club to have a negative net spend this summer was Southampton and they spent almost triple what we did.

Now we're supposed to supposedly wait for the stadium and that's why we aren't spending. We're set to move into the stadium in 2018 and then assuredly the excuse for not spending will be that we are still paying off loans. So are we looking at 2022 before we are financially in a place to compete. 20 years after ENIC took over? Doesn't seem like that would have been a particularly effective process.

Ultimately, I'm mostly pleased at what has happened on the football field this season. There has been a lot of progression from our young players and it looks like we've learned who can easily weeded out. But we'll always be dealing with the specter of ENIC when it comes to the progression of the footballing side. It is not hard to see this summer going massively left (or any transfer window). We have a long track record of selling our best players, this summer we were massively outspent not only by our rivals but also by QPR, Hull, Newcastle, West Ham and Swansea, and we have a negative net spend over five seasons.

It is not complicated, if this is the club's blueprint for running the football side of things then it will take massive amounts of luck to compete at the top four level that the boardroom have continually stated as the goal.

Still, I remain proud of the football that has been played and the joy of watching young players like Kane, Bentaleb, Rose, Mason, Eriksen, and Dier start to come into their own. We have a decent core but if we stand pat players will leave, we will fail again, and we'll be left to press the reset button once again as we always seem to be doing. If we want an improvement in the football it won't come from the touchline or pitch but from the boardroom and executive boxes.
 
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I expected an improvement in our football, and a growing understanding in the team.
I expected a manager who was forward thinking, but also willing to adapt when needed and show a willingness to go back to basics.
I expected the likes of Soldado, Capoue, Ade, Lamela, Paulinho, Jan and Eriksen to be better.
I expected the manager to use the signings he made.
I expected us to give ourselves the absolute best chance of winning the CC final we could.
I expected that by April, the players would be knocking it around comfortably.
I expected a better defence.

There has been a huge improvement in our football. The prior last two seasons we had no clue what we were doing and relied on Bale and then Eriksen/Ade/Lloris to produce something etc. This season we've seen one touch moves, better movement, high pressing etc. To implement all of those is very difficult especially with a young team hence why it is not consistent at the moment. Bringing a new philosophy into a club is not something than can be done in a matter of months.
It's important that people don't rob Poch of his transitional season just because 3 years of our lives have been wasted with AVB/Sherwood's.
 
I think that people are massively overreacting (so surprising as this is Spurs) to how our season is playing out. Almost everyone said we had no chance at top four and now we look set to finish 5th or 6th. Makes sense. We also are probably going to have the Player of the Season plus it looks like we actually have a few players that look like top four quality or will develop to that level over the next couple of seasons.

However, if we once again bottle it this summer I think we need to start accepting the fact that ENIC are the problem. IMO, in sport, it is nearly impossible to win while having poor owners. We have one trophy in 13 years under ENIC and Levy's stewardship. While they have undeniably moved the club forward on the financial side, it reaches a point where if the financial success doesn't really help the footballing side then what is the fucking point? Football tickets have increased 700% in price since 2000 so it certainly isn't helping myself as a fan either.

If we have a problem it is in the boardroom. ENIC has had control of the club for 13 years now and we've had 9 managers all achieving very similar results. Yet, many continue to complain about Pochettino like he is the problem. What kind of club with "goals of top four" signs a new manager and then proceeds to spend 24m in his first summer? The only other club to have a negative net spend this summer was Southampton and they spent almost triple what we did.

Now we're supposed to supposedly wait for the stadium and that's why we aren't spending. We're set to move into the stadium in 2018 and then assuredly the excuse for not spending will be that we are still paying off loans. So are we looking at 2022 before we are financially in a place to compete. 20 years after ENIC took over? Doesn't seem like that would have been a particularly effective process.

Ultimately, I'm mostly pleased at what has happened on the football field this season. There has been a lot of progression from our young players and it looks like we've learned who can easily weeded out. But we'll always be dealing with the specter of ENIC when it comes to the progression of the footballing side. It is not hard to see this summer going massively left (or any transfer window). We have a long track record of selling our best players, this summer we were massively outspent not only by our rivals but also by QPR, Hull, Newcastle, West Ham and Swansea, and we have a negative net spend over five seasons.

It is not complicated, if this is the club's blueprint for running the football side of things then it will take massive amounts of luck to compete at the top four level that the boardroom have continually stated as the goal.

Still, I remain proud of the football that has been played and the joy of watching young players like Kane, Bentaleb, Rose, Mason, Eriksen, and Dier start to come into their own. We have a decent core but if we stand pat players will leave, we will fail again, and we'll be left to press the reset button once again as we always seem to be doing. If we want an improvement in the football it won't come from the touchline or pitch but from the boardroom and executive boxes.

It's funny, growing up, supporting Spurs in the late '70s, '80s and beyond we were always a 'Top 6' side with a decent chance of a Cup run... nothing's really changed (except the odd season of madness in 1982 and again in 1989'ish where we were either somehow challenging for the top two or three... or facing a genuine threat of a mid-'90s relegation scrap; Klinsmann's half-a-dozen goals in that crucial match at Wimbledon springs to mind!!)
For me, I have always supported a Top Six side... it's just the other 5 teams have changed occasionally...
it used to be the 'Big 5' (remember them?) Liverpool, Everton, Us, Man Utd & ArseAnal... that was more to do with 'Powerhouse clout' and the '80s version of 'having money' in Football...
Then Chelsea, and after them Man City came along and changed the landscape... pushing Everton and ourselves to some extent out of the way.
But in my mind, we're still in there... a Top 6 side who occasionally pushes on every now and then and has a decent crack at the Top 4 (not always with the rewards they deserve... thanks Bayern!)
By the look of it, we're gonna finish 5th or 6th gain this season... it may not represent 'progress' but it certainly shows stability, and not slipping out of the reckoning altogether...
...and believe me, having had a couple of heart-stopping/heart-wrenching finishes to recent seasons when we have been going for (and missing out on) the Top 4, you just see what a nice relaxed, no pressure, sunny end to the season does for morale of some of the younger players... and the fans!
 
There has been a huge improvement in our football. The prior last two seasons we had no clue what we were doing and relied on Bale and then Eriksen/Ade/Lloris to produce something etc. This season we've seen one touch moves, better movement, high pressing etc. To implement all of those is very difficult especially with a young team hence why it is not consistent at the moment. Bringing a new philosophy into a club is not something than can be done in a matter of months.
It's important that people don't rob Poch of his transitional season just because 3 years of our lives have been wasted with AVB/Sherwood's.

There WAS a huge improvement in our football until we abandoned the key to that improvement. High tensity and aggressive pressing.

Thats gone, and so has our direction. How can anyone think that we are playing as well as we was around Christmas, regardless of results.
 
There WAS a huge improvement in our football until we abandoned the key to that improvement. High tensity and aggressive pressing.

Thats gone, and so has our direction. How can anyone think that we are playing as well as we was around Christmas, regardless of results.
We had a poor start, when Poch was finding out his best team. A good middle when he played that team, and a poorish end, when he unsuccessfully tried integrating squad players. I thought he should have kept playing that team, but he tried to wing it between 3 competitions and it hasn't worked.
 
I think that people are massively overreacting (so surprising as this is Spurs) to how our season is playing out. Almost everyone said we had no chance at top four and now we look set to finish 5th or 6th. Makes sense. We also are probably going to have the Player of the Season.

People probably would have put us higher than 6th if they thought we'd have player of the season, we got 5th last time we had one of those - (with a worse manager)
 
Not going to say the whole argument over again but for me, it hasnt been a very good season.
Its been 50-50 with decent and diabolical, with some one or two excellent performances thrown in too..I had a clearer vision of what Poch wanted earlier in the season. Now Im just confused.

In a nutshell, for me the positives are:
Fitness
Kane
Rose
Beating arse and Chelsea with actual brilliant football
Being able to go the distance in games
Academy being used
Lloris

Negatives:
Rotation and isolation of a major chunk of the squad..
..which caused our cup capitulation within two days
(we all said that was the most important month of our season. Well we failed)
Chadli´s form nosediving
Eriksen´s form nosediving
Lamela
Townsend
Soldado
Vertonghen
Paulinho
Central Midfield losing the plot and not being addressed
The back line bar Rose and Lloris
Oddball subs
The sudden abandonment of our pressing game
The lack of a leader
Naming three captains and dropping two of them from the entire squad
Dropping Dembele
Dropping Stambouli
Dropping Capoue
And playing Paulinho ahead of them
Lack of tactical flexibility
Playing a system with players that cannot play it well
Lack of heart
Lack of effort
On course to finish worse off than what AVB and Tim got last year

Forgive me for not jumping through hoops about this season

I've hit agree but I do think we have far more heart and more effort than previously. The efforts have looked poor and jaded due to fatigue and not knowing or not having the right lan/system at times.
 
We've flopped it so bad against burnley

The players shouldn't need the manager to give them motivation, the motivation for 5th place should have been enough to drive the players to at least put in a performance

We potentially could have been 4 points from 4th with Man City to play
 
People probably would have put us higher than 6th if they thought we'd have player of the season, we got 5th last time we had one of those - (with a worse manager)

On the flip side how would they have felt with the knowledge that Adebayor, Soldado, Lamela, and Paulinho would combine for 4 total goals, our Captain would be benched in November, Aaron Lennon would be loaned out in January, and by far our most impactful signing would be a 20 year old who played under 25 games in the Portuguese league.
 
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