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Summer 2015 Transfer Window DISCUSSION Thread

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Stag said:
Id quite like to see Lamela swapped with Nainggolan... I think Roma would love him back and we need someone in the middle to just wallop people. Loads of experience plus MOARR BELGIANZZZ FTW

Dunno what Totti Totti would think about this, do you rate him as a CM (i do obvs)
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Nainggolan is brilliant but he only signed permanently this summer with Roma so not possible.
 
VirginiaSpur said:
I would love it if Juve's move for Lamela could remotely be considered "big."

Needs to be reinvested though. Not on Yannick Bolasie, pref.
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Reckon that Lamela to Juve would be a similar deal to Soldado to Villareal - we've devalued them substatially in a league ill-suited to their talents.

For a small risk, they can be brought back to the leagues they used to tear up.
With Lamela in particular, I think he could be fantastic for that Juve side.

I say this as someone who preached patience with Lamela, and is rather dubious about Bolasie...
But Bolasie seems to offer everything that Lamela doesn't; pace and directness in attack - attributes that actually seem to scare defences.

Because despite how much I want/wanted Lamela to come good for us, I always feel like he'll be dispossessed outside the box while trying something overly ponderous and elaborate.
 
John Thomas said:
I don't get why you think us all idiots. We have gone into the season with one striker. It's probably costing us points. At the same our net spend is less than every single premier league club. Surely this suggests we could have done more to avert this situation.Why do you find this point of view so unreasonable?
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I'd like to sign a striker; maybe two.
Ideally I believe that if we hadn't wasted a massive amount of money on failed signings then we could be at an even better place in the league having spent even less.
I just don't think we should get drawn into overpaying for talent. Hasn't worked for us in the past few years, and hell it hasn't worked for Liverpool either, at least since Suarez.
Arguably the best players that we've bought in the past few windows were some of our cheapest deals, all considering.
 
John Thomas said:
I don't get why you think us all idiots. We have gone into the season with one striker. It's probably costing us points. At the same our net spend is less than every single premier league club. Surely this suggests we could have done more to avert this situation.Why do you find this point of view so unreasonable?
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It all depends who our main striker targets are and whether we could have got them any earlier.

If clubs are making us wait to do business for our No1 target(s) do we fuck them and sign a plan B just to get bodies in?

It's not always a matter of us clicking our fingers and dictating when suites us best for a transfer to happen.
 
John Thomas said:
I don't get why you think us all idiots. We have gone into the season with one striker. It's probably costing us points. At the same our net spend is less than every single premier league club. Surely this suggests we could have done more to avert this situation.Why do you find this point of view so unreasonable?
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Leave aside the "idiots" point, which doesn't help, we have surely been over this a million times now.
It is not true that we don't buy players, the turnover of players at Spurs has been very high ... a lot of players have been brought in. Leaving aside the youth team players, we have bought 49 players in the last 5 years.

None of them were deliberate duds, those players were supposed to improve the team. If they didn't then that is bad judgement, or bad luck, but it is not really anything to do with net spend.

To get our net spend to the same level as e.g. Liverpool (let's leave City, United and Chelsea out of it), we would either have had to buy a lot more players, or not get rid of some of the players who have been sold or released, or buy the same players but for a lot more money, or sell the same players for less than we got. None of those things makes any sense.

Like Liverpool ... if you buy Stewart Downing or Aquilani for about 20 million a throw then more or less give them away your net spend will go up very nicely.
 
With Fazio heading out the door, which is still revolving from Stambouli's exit, I really do wonder what Baldini / Poch & Levy were doing last summer...maybe Acid or something as judgement was clearly lacking !

Fazio is not a bad player at all, but totally opposite to what one assumes Poch would want, so why did the club pay money for him + wages ( I assume they were about 2 million quid )

35K a week x 52 weeks = way too much & that spend is being repeated time & time again on the constant churn of not very good journeymen.

Have we given Ade a squad number yet ? Because we fucking need to ! 2 points from 8 games version 2 :harrysmile:
 
Furball man said:
Mate, one doesnt need to try on here ... The puns set up themselves. The window is like a sweet shop for anyone who has any form of humour. The hysteria on here at times is incredible.


Not so keen on the " at home crying" though... I have a splendid life... I'm very lucky in that aspect.
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sorry. i was only joking. i wouldnt have a clue about anyones life away from this board.

no reason to think u cry at home!
i was just going with the sad clown joke.
bad joke. sorry.
if anything u always come across as happy.
my post came across wrong.
 
Jenny Talia said:
Leave aside the "idiots" point, which doesn't help, we have surely been over this a million times now.
It is not true that we don't buy players, the turnover of players at Spurs has been very high ... a lot of players have been brought in. Leaving aside the youth team players, we have bought 49 players in the last 5 years.

None of them were deliberate duds, those players were supposed to improve the team. If they didn't then that is bad judgement, or bad luck, but it is not really anything to do with net spend.

To get our net spend to the same level as e.g. Liverpool (let's leave City, United and Chelsea out of it), we would either have had to buy a lot more players, or not get rid of some of the players who have been sold or released, or buy the same players but for a lot more money, or sell the same players for less than we got. None of those things makes any sense.

Like Liverpool ... if you buy Stewart Downing or Aquilani for about 20 million a throw then more or less give them away your net spend will go up very nicely.
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Andy Carroll 35m pounds. Ambition.
 
5 CBs is truthfully not needed at all ... just a waste of wages, imo.
So, I'd gladly sell Fazio.

That being said, I also very much liked Fazio. Some of the bashing against him is absurd. He's a good centerback. That one period (before Poch abruptly ended it), where Fazio and Verts had an extended run together, was really good. Albeit not pacey, he's a pretty decent defender ... but just one not suitable for Poch's system.

Which brings me to ... how frustrated I have become with the conducting of our recent transfers (i.e. before this current window). It just makes me angry how these great players (in their former leagues) come to Spurs and ending up flopping. It's sad how we ruin careers (and our own seasons) just because of our knee-jerking panic buys, or our lack of proper scouting, or the lack of backing the manager. And in hindsight, it's not even surprising why these players have done poorly here. If you compare the way how they played in their former teams vs how we have played (especially post Redknapp) ... you'll see that there's hardly any compatibility.

I mean, what ... Soldado - one of La Liga's most deadliest ST, ends up barely getting on the score sheet here. Or Lamela - one of the brightest and most confident young footballer, now barely can keep his head up at Spurs. Or Fazio - captain of Sevilla and led them to an EL trophy, now barely gets any game time at Spurs. Or Benji - one of the rising top rated midfielders in Ligue 1 and won the title with his former team, ends up getting sold to PS freaking G, before which he hardly played for Spurs, especially during times when we absolutely needed a CDM on the pitch. ... And so on. It would've been understandable if this only happened a couple of times. But it seems like that this happens time and time again. There's a case pretty much every season. And most of the time, it has been quantity over (appropriate) quality for us.

Idk, I just hesitate to believe that all these players were just not cut out enough for the PL.
It's just that something in our system is (or was) fucked up ... and now with the arrival of Mitchell, Broomfield, and the (apparent) increased faith in Poch, I just hope there is an end to this shit.

#SorryRantOver #GotCarriedAway
 
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SinghYid said:
5 CBs is truthfully not needed at all ... just a waste of wages, imo.
So, I'd gladly sell Fazio.

That being said, I also very much liked Fazio. Some of the bashing against him is absurd. He's a good centerback. That one period (before Poch abruptly ended it), where Fazio and Verts had an extended run together, was really good. Albeit not pacey, he's a pretty decent player ... but just one not suitable for Poch's system.

Which brings me to ... how frustrated I have become with the conducting of our recent transfers (i.e. before this current window). It just makes me angry how these great players (in their former leagues) come to Spurs and ending up flopping. It's sad how we ruin careers (and our own seasons) just because of our knee-jerking panic buys, or our lack of proper scouting, or the lack of backing the manager. And in hindsight, it's not even surprising why these players have done poorly here. If you compare the way how they played in their former teams vs how we have played (especially post Redknapp) ... you'll see that there's hardly any compatibility.

I mean, what ... Soldado - one of La Liga's most deadliest ST, ends up barely getting on the score sheet here. Or Lamela - one of the brightest and most confident young footballer, now barely can keep his head up at Spurs. Or Fazio - captain of Sevilla and led them to an EL trophy, now barely gets any game time at Spurs. Or Benji - one of rising top rated MF in Ligue 1 and won the title with his former team, ends up getting sold to PS freaking G, before which he hardly played for Spurs, especially during times when we absolutely needed a CDM on the pitch. ... And so on. It would've been understandable it this only happened a couple of times. But it seems like that this happens time and time again. There's a case pretty much every season. And most of the time, it has been quantity or (appropriate) quality for us.

Idk, I just hesitate to believe that all these players were just not cut out enough for the PL.
It's just that something in our system is (or was) fucked up ... and now with the arrival of Mitchell, Broomfield, and the (apparent) increased faith in Poch, I just hope there is an end to this shit.

#SorryRantOver #GotCarriedAway
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I must say good sir, when I posted what seemed like 30 pages ago (though it was this morning) and I said something along the lines of I'm so frustrated with everything but don't know how to say it, you said exactly what I was feeling. Especially the issues like Soldado and Lamela, etc. It's frustrating as fuck.
 
SinghYid said:
5 CBs is truthfully not needed at all ... just a waste of wages, imo.
So, I'd gladly sell Fazio.

That being said, I also very much liked Fazio. Some of the bashing against him is absurd. He's a good centerback. That one period (before Poch abruptly ended it), where Fazio and Verts had an extended run together, was really good. Albeit not pacey, he's a pretty decent player ... but just one not suitable for Poch's system.

Which brings me to ... how frustrated I have become with the conducting of our recent transfers (i.e. before this current window). It just makes me angry how these great players (in their former leagues) come to Spurs and ending up flopping. It's sad how we ruin careers (and our own seasons) just because of our knee-jerking panic buys, or our lack of proper scouting, or the lack of backing the manager. And in hindsight, it's not even surprising why these players have done poorly here. If you compare the way how they played in their former teams vs how we have played (especially post Redknapp) ... you'll see that there's hardly any compatibility.

I mean, what ... Soldado - one of La Liga's most deadliest ST, ends up barely getting on the score sheet here. Or Lamela - one of the brightest and most confident young footballer, now barely can keep his head up at Spurs. Or Fazio - captain of Sevilla and led them to an EL trophy, now barely gets any game time at Spurs. Or Benji - one of rising top rated MF in Ligue 1 and won the title with his former team, ends up getting sold to PS freaking G, before which he hardly played for Spurs, especially during times when we absolutely needed a CDM on the pitch. ... And so on. It would've been understandable it this only happened a couple of times. But it seems like that this happens time and time again. There's a case pretty much every season. And most of the time, it has been quantity or (appropriate) quality for us.

Idk, I just hesitate to believe that all these players were just not cut out enough for the PL.
It's just that something in our system is (or was) fucked up ... and now with the arrival of Mitchell, Broomfield, and the (apparent) increased faith in Poch, I just hope there is an end to this shit.

#SorryRantOver #GotCarriedAway
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That was magical, man.

We had plenty of bad games under Redknapp though. I remember them.
 
VirginiaSpur said:
That was magical, man.

We had plenty of bad games under Redknapp though. I remember them.
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True ... definitely true. But, imo, there were a lot of different factors to consider back then. And I don't wanna start another Redknapp era vs current era discussion ... But one thing is for sure: Our football back then was sexy as hell.

I probably can count the same number of games (if not easily more) that I vividly remember during Redknapp's terms, than I can remember in the time with all these 3 recent managers (including Sherwood) combined.
 
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