Dont flatter yourself.... Im reading the whole thread.
....Abeit you are admittedly extremely irritating.
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Dont flatter yourself.... Im reading the whole thread.
....Abeit you are admittedly extremely irritating.
Oh don’t worry I will if the pitiful counters demonstrated so far are anything to go by. I’m half tempted to help you guys out with this.
The only welcome assistance you can provide is to fuck off and find somewhere else to beat your tired drum.
Provide me some quotes of ENIC saying any of this, or have you just told yourself this so many times you believe it?
The second tier clubs I was speaking of are the likes of Juventus, Dortmund, Liverpool, the Goons. Which is exactly where the extra revenue from the stadium will put us. They all have reached the Champions League final in the recent past. That’s what I’m hoping for.
Will the revenue enable us to outspend the super rich clubs? No, so I suggest you go and support one of them
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Did you just learn what “ad hominem” means in the past week and have a bet on with someone for how often you can use it?
Do you think it makes you seem clever?
It doesn’t.
Every few years, the Premier League throws up a team of loveable losers, winning plaudits for their style, their principles and their refreshing capacity to punch above their weight; O'Leary's Leeds, Keegan's Newcastle and even Rodgers' Liverpool briefly, all aroused admiration from the general football public, but ultimately failed to capitalise on the opportunity to establish a dynasty, and soon returned to relative mediocrity. Common factor in their downfall? An inability (or reluctance) to win a domestic cup competition to begin the winning cycle.
Enter Pocchettino, and his dismissive approach to the FA and League cups; in a squad collectively scarce on relevant winners medals, and at a club with practically no recent culture of winning, it's moronic of him to ignore the importance of putting something in the cabinet to forge that so-far elusive mentality.
For all of the vindicated admiration for the work the manager is doing with relatively limited resources and his development of young talent, he has to stop bottling it when it really matters: losing every big domestic head-to-head this season, and even going back to the best opportunity the club had to win the league in half a century in 2016, collapsing when going toe to toe with a bunch of championship players led by a Tinkerman.
He has some great players available to him, arguably the best in the league in practically every position - he can't hide behind rival investment forever, especially when he's had a stronger squad than the previous two league winners.
Not a popular view, but I feel it's time for Levy to evaluate whether Pocchettino is the right man to lead the club into the next phase of its development: the club now has the infrastructure to succeed, not just relatively but literally. The inability to find a win when it really matters in the recent past suggests he probably isn't.
This squad, with a proven winner coaching it, could do what those aforementioned clubs couldn't and establish a sustained, successful presence at the very top of English football. The way things are going at the minute, there's no guarantee of Champions League football going into the new stadium, especially if Pocchettino can't find a way to stop losing 6 pointers. Now the likes of Kane, Eriksen and Alli have experienced and excelled in Europe's elite environment, I doubt they'll be happy to be exiled from it, especially when the domestic and continental rivals who perpetually participate in it pay better wages.
Personally, I'm a bit of a Pocchettino fanboy for his contribution to the development of young British talent, but this club now both deserves and requires more than a glorified youth coach.
If Mourinho is bored of living in a Salford hotel, I'd bring him back to London. He'd inherit a squad ready to win, and a superior one to the United one he's currently in charge of. Being the man to finally bring success to a club previously starved of it would appeal to his ego too. Beyond him, Rafa Benitez has won with less talent at his disposal in a number of different environments - he's a cup specialist who, even if he didn't win the league, would help cultivate a winning culture to pass on to a longer term successor.
Rose and Walker got bored of working under Pocchettino, but that's relatively irrelevant: if Kane, the Dane, Toby, Vertonghen and Alli develop the same frustrations, Levy has a problem, because all would walk into 99% of winning teams in Europe, and be paid better for it too. They need to be stimulated by success, and I suspect Pocchettino has taken them and the club as far as he can now.
Enter Pocchettino, and his dismissive approach to the FA and League cups; in a squad collectively scarce on relevant winners medals, and at a club with practically no recent culture of winning, it's moronic of him to ignore the importance of putting something in the cabinet to forge that so-far elusive mentality.
For all of the vindicated admiration for the work the manager is doing with relatively limited resources and his development of young talent, he has to stop bottling it when it really matters: losing every big domestic head-to-head this season, and even going back to the best opportunity the club had to win the league in half a century in 2016, collapsing when going toe to toe with a bunch of championship players led by a Tinkerman.
He has some great players available to him, arguably the best in the league in practically every position - he can't hide behind rival investment forever, especially when he's had a stronger squad than the previous two league winners.
Not a popular view, but I feel it's time for Levy to evaluate whether Pocchettino is the right man to lead the club into the next phase of its development: the club now has the infrastructure to succeed, not just relatively but literally. The inability to find a win when it really matters in the recent past suggests he probably isn't.
This squad, with a proven winner coaching it, could do what those aforementioned clubs couldn't and establish a sustained, successful presence at the very top of English football. The way things are going at the minute, there's no guarantee of Champions League football going into the new stadium, especially if Pocchettino can't find a way to stop losing 6 pointers. Now the likes of Kane, Eriksen and Alli have experienced and excelled in Europe's elite environment, I doubt they'll be happy to be exiled from it, especially when the domestic and continental rivals who perpetually participate in it pay better wages.
Personally, I'm a bit of a Pocchettino fanboy for his contribution to the development of young British talent, but this club now both deserves and requires more than a glorified youth coach.
If Mourinho is bored of living in a Salford hotel, I'd bring him back to London. He'd inherit a squad ready to win, and a superior one to the United one he's currently in charge of. Being the man to finally bring success to a club previously starved of it would appeal to his ego too. Beyond him, Rafa Benitez has won with less talent at his disposal in a number of different environments - he's a cup specialist who, even if he didn't win the league, would help cultivate a winning culture to pass on to a longer term successor.
Rose and Walker got bored of working under Pocchettino, but that's relatively irrelevant: if Kane, the Dane, Toby, Vertonghen and Alli develop the same frustrations, Levy has a problem, because all would walk into 99% of winning teams in Europe, and be paid better for it too. They need to be stimulated by success, and I suspect Pocchettino has taken them and the club as far as he can now.
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How has he had a dismissive approach to the FA Cup ? We fielded a full strength side against a League 1 side in the quarters last season and we obviously didn't deliberately lose to Chelsea in the Semis. As for the League cup do you honestly think us winning that will change the narrative of us being a 'nearly club' or 'loveable losers' as you put it, nobody values the League cup and it certainly wouldn't persuade players to stay if they are having their heads turned.
You are the Chris Eubank of posters, big words jumbled up into a load of old shite only you seem to understand. I bet you launch into a monologue every time you open the fridge and the light comes on. Fucking sanctimonious prat that you are.
Fuck Off!
He's taken us to a final in his first year. We lost it against the Champions of England, playing suffocating (as is their entitlement) football, scoring 2 deflected goals, having had over a week to rest and prepare, whilst we were playing 48hrs before in Italy.
He's taken us to an FA Cup Semi-final, where we got beat by the same side who were again Champions that year. They scored 4 goals from 4 shots all from set-pieces.
Not only that, but the 'lovable losers' he mentioned all fell away after 1 season. We are currently fighting our third campaign for trophies in the last 3 years. It's an incorrect comparison to make in the first place that invalidates his subsequent argument.
Having said that though, i do believe a cup trophy would do nicely.
Amazing just how many fans fall into the micro dick sector, they can't take the jibes from the red tops or twitter. They lack the confidence to back what is going on, fail to acknowledge with their own eyes what is going on at the club.
What is totally bizarre is this is even a "thing" at all, be that in the media or as online "bantz". If it was the case with Tottenham, why say it when talking about the best manager we have had in 30yrs. Why was this not a "thing" under Redknapp, AVB, Sherwood, Jol, Santini or Pleat? It was NEVER discussed, at no point was it even mentioned, at no point did the media every say "but they have to win trophies". To this end I've never heard a single person say that Liverpool "have to win a trophy".
Hey ho....explains why the Red Tops are still in business, people actually pay money to read them.
And which of those trophies are likely to be won this season?. Pocchettino is quoted saying he doesn't value Woolwich's recent FA Cup wins, which is odd for a coach who's won nothing. It's as if he's realised he doesn't have the capacity to win after those aforementioned semis/finals, so is dismissively deflecting from it.
An FA cup win would be huge for the club, and potentially define this project.
In the players subconscious it would. Beggars can't be choosers, and at this point any success would evolve the mentaility of the squad. Had we won it in 2015, I feel it would have improved the chances of getting the job done in the title race in '16.
None of those managers had the squad currently available to Pocchettino, and all coached at a time where the Premier League had strong, winning United, Chelsea, Woolwich or City teams comprehensively better than them. Spurs have had as good a first 12/13 players as any in the league In the past 3 years, yet haven't capitalised on it.
The squad you refer to has been built and coached by the very person you slag off! We've been beaten twice by the current champions (in final and semi-final) for that relative year, what's the difference? Where did it go wrong Pal, be specific. Because I do not recall us playing weekend teams in those games, which is what your entire post was referring to.
No he didn't:
'No, because Woolwich are in another stage of their project,' said Tottenham's boss.
'I don't care where they are, after three and a half years we have achieved a lot. I would like to achieve more, to be first and not second and to win cups. I admire what Arsene Wenger did at Woolwich, but we are in a different process.
'If we can win the FA Cup or the Carabao Cup, fantastic, but the principal option is to win the Premier League and put Tottenham in a position to win the Champions League.
'The Premier League and the Champions League are massive challenges for big clubs. This type of trophy are the real trophies.'
"getting the job done" implies we were leading the race and fell off, this narrative that we 'bottled' the title race is such bollocks we were miles behind everyone both last season and the season before and managed to narrow the gap and make a push for it. Beating Chelsea in the league cup of 2015 wouldn't of magically made Leicester capitulate and throw away the league.
Do you have any idea how quickly United would jump at the chance to swap Pochettino for Mourinho.
One plays attractive football, bringing through young players, hardly spending any money - he's finished 3rd and 2nd the last two seasons......
The other plays boring negative football, spends £200 - £300m every season - he's finished 5th and 6th the last two seasons......
It wasn't a thing then..."but they have to get into the top four" was a thing though, and when we did that it was swiftly followed by "but they have to get into the top four on a regular basis"...it was at this point that there was a sudden appearance of a top 6 and the goalposts were shifted on to trophies...
Pisses me off that people like Shearer are saying it - if anyone's career were to be remembered for sacrificing trophies in favour of playing for his boyhood club then it's his.