Redknapp never finished 2nd with us, so he didn’t have us in the same position at all.
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Manager Mauricio Pochettino
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Redknapp never finished 2nd with us, so he didn’t have us in the same position at all.
I see what you mean. But my comparison was 4th and 4th.
Yes of course Poch has over the past two years delivered 3 & 2 spot and that’s not equal it’s clearly better
The best Spurs manager of my life time is Keith Burkinshaw, he left after winning the UEFA Cup in 1984 and said this in an interview - "There used to be a football club over there.”
The more things change, the more they stay the same...
The more things change, the more they stay the same...
Don’t know, I can see bids coming in, and at this stage I can see their heads being turned rather easily. We’re getting labeled as nearly men....that stuff sticks, Walker, Toby and Rose who’s next?
If we double Deles wages, suddenly he knows what it’s like to win stuff?
I tend to agree which is why the squad need to stick together but some of that will be financial reward, not to make them better players. That is a daft equation and actually an insult to the players.
I think it more about them believing we are in the mix to win as opposed to just being in the mix. It's why I dread Liverpool or Woolwich winning silverware this season.
The facts are and this is the only concern I have as far is Pochettino is concerned and that is what he learns from defeat.
There was no real difference between us and United on Saturday, strikers apart I would say. Maybe Pochettino had no option but to play Kane but even if he had been fit would it really have altered the outcome?
Mourinho is genius in one-off games. Best in my lifetime and that's fine but can Pochettino even with better resources or ones that are just as good find a way? I think he can. I just would admit to also saying a small maybe he can't.
As for the players and in many respects Pochettino I think it's all on Levy but also dependent on securing top 4.
Who knows, could be the catalyst we need..maybe it’s time Poch felt some pressure too. The project takes time is all we get, while writing off silverware.
He’s trying to run before he can walk.....this year the Carling would have been ideal, the FA Cup would have been great, but he’s dismissed both.
We’be played relegation fodder and struggled past 4th division oppo to get to the semis, and first sign of decent oppo we play like that.
It’s not good enough.
A touch harsh on how we played although I thought we lost belief once they scored. To that point we were competing but the sense of inevitability was there.
Winning a trophy is hard. Mourinho a master and I sensed once United were knocked out of the Champions League the FA Cup would become a harder won to win.
I am over the pain if not the disappointment but look back at the League cup loss and remember my comments at the time of us being arrogant and complacent. No guarantees we would have won the thing but chances to do so were thrown away.
I think we will see some change. If too radical we will most likely go backwards before going forwards.
It is and would be a risk much more so than believing Pochettino will find a way in my opinion than seeing a complete overhaul. That would be a high risk policy and what for?
But Pochettino needs to prioritise less vocally in future and learn.
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The squad argument applies because we don’t have the best full backs in the league? What kind of rataionale is that? How do you account for United winning trophies with Valencia and Young neither of which are natural fullback? Or Liverpool getting to a CL semi final with Robertson, Gomez, Moreno and Arnold? You do realise right that a squad consists of more that just full backs right?
As for Sanchez well given that United were 2nd when they signed and they are still 2nd and given that he hasn’t produced any where near the level of form he previously has then yes it’s very easy to assume that they would still be in the same position. To make such a statement is to suggest that you haven’t watched him at United. You have simply seen the wages they paid and automatically think he must be producing world class performances
Poch has undoubtedly improved the team but he had the players to do that. Do you think he would be on the same position now had he taken over Burnley or West Brom? The suggestion is always that he is responsible for their careers, that they woulldnt be the players that they are without him. If that were really the case then how do you account for Janssen, NJie, GKN to name a few? It’s all very selective here, the reality is he inherited a base of players that most managers would kill for. He has improved them but the talent was already there.
As for being a cheque book manager apologist, seriously are you actually reading or thinking about such statements. I’m not the one who is playing out games on a spreadsheet rather than actually comparing merits of the actual sides. Again it is an utterly baffling mindset, we have a built a side that is at least equal to the elite but supposedly we shouldn’t expect them to compete with them because they generate more revenue? What kind of warped logic is that?
The perpetual project, in reality it one of a myriad of bullshit phases of the modern game ( you can add process to that horseshit as well). It is simply a delaying tactic and an assinine statement to make in a game where the average tenure of a league manager is just over 12 months. Are we likely to get a team better than this in the next few years? Extremely unlikely and we are already starting a transition process with Walker gone and Rose, Alderwield and Dembele to follow suit. So what exactly are we waiting for? I would love to know the rationale for needing more time? In reality he is talking about himself because this team is good enough to win silverware, it has been for 3 years and it hasn’t done that .
While the results are the same, I don’t be think it’s a big master plan by the club to trick us and deliberately not win anything.
What’s the point in not winning the FA Cup? We are fighting for 4th anyway, and it’s not down to cup games getting in the way.
Win the semi, and you don’t even have to think about it til after the season.
I think the problem is the mentality that’s been instilled that we are elite and above it all, yet the reality is we are not ready to mix it unless Chelsea, Utd and City have shit seasons.
We have grown, we have surpassed Woolwich and Liverpool have gained on us for the first time in ten years, but when comparing us to ourselves it basically par.
The players have to take responsibility here for always upsetting the apple cart with their spoiled brat demands as soon as we reach the cusp of something.
Do you honestly think forcing Walker to stay would have seen this season play out any differently?
I don’t, and I feel there’s more to come.
That would be quite the football hack if it worked. Raise wages since high wage bill = high league standing, and then profit.
But unfortunately it's more to do with the fact that the best players command high wages, high wage bill means a team has generally purchased higher quality players. Of course there are flops and wastes but at the end of the day the money will align with the final standings.
We do have quality players, but not enough quality in depth over the course of a season.
And before you or anyone says that it's Kane/Alli etc who cost us and not Davies/Trippier I ask you to stop taking such a simplistic view of the game.
Meaning just because players like Davies and Trippier don't make apparent mistakes in a match, it doesn't mean the reason we lost is because the guys up top didn't perform. There's more to playing than not fucking up. We carried much more threat, dynamism, power and flair with Rose and Walker. Despite what assists or key pass stats will tell you we were a million times better offensively and defensively. We had more width, players unbeatable on the wings who could beat their man etc. That makes a COMPLETELY different game.
Valencia is a top 5 or top 3 RB in the prem. Young has been playing at a good level this season. Not an amazing pair but along with the strength of their attack and Jose's win at all cost style they are good enough. I'm sure most of us pride ourselves on trying to play though.
Pool have so much pace and attacking talent it compensates for their defence but it's the reason they won't finish near City either. I'm confident if we had a home we'd finish above them and United.
Sanchez has done enough with his class. He scored a good header against us. His build up and assist for Pogba against City at the Etihad was exquisite and had a monumental affect on the the narrative of the race for 2nd. He's still scoring goals here and there and helping win key points in the league.
Every manager has lots of players who don't come good.
Very few managers do so well with so little resources.
Very few managers play such young teams (youngest one season) and do so well.
Very few managers have so many players make their international debuts under them.
When he took over us how many of our players would top 4 teams want?
Literally just Lloris.
Poch is a great manager. Maybe the best we had in decades. I like him and he improved us a lot in the last years. But gotta admit it makes me astonished how some users think the club will cease to exist and burn if he leaves. No one is bigger than tottenham, being harry, levy or poch. If by one year time we still are with no silverware to show we must really think about it we need a change. Football is full of circles.
Poch has made some mistakes here, but this last match is all on the players.
We rolled over on our backs and submitted after United tied it up. Usually we've shown some fighting spirit after some adversity but there was absolutely no fight. Really sad to see.
Far too many players didn't show up. Son, Dembele, Trippier, Kane. Besides Eriksen, Jan and Sanchez I don't think anyone had a good match.
I don't think Poch's comments were targeted at Levy. I think he pulled a bit of Mourinho and threw his players under the bus. For me, rightfully so. He's covered for them many many times in the past. We know his favorite phases "This is football" and you "need some luck." I think he was really fed up and disappointed in the players.
We rolled over on our backs and submitted after United tied it up. Usually we've shown some fighting spirit after some adversity but there was absolutely no fight. Really sad to see.
Far too many players didn't show up. Son, Dembele, Trippier, Kane. Besides Eriksen, Jan and Sanchez I don't think anyone had a good match.
I don't think Poch's comments were targeted at Levy. I think he pulled a bit of Mourinho and threw his players under the bus. For me, rightfully so. He's covered for them many many times in the past. We know his favorite phases "This is football" and you "need some luck." I think he was really fed up and disappointed in the players.
Poch's comments about playing the kids in next year's F A Cup if true and he actually does would reverse my support and I would call for him to go. I have repeatedly stated over the years if we want to be considered a big club then we need to compete in all competitions. Poch has done that this year and although he changed the team in the earlier rounds that was to play established stars and he played what he considered the strongest team in the Semi.
Play the kids and what sort of attendance would he expect? Lose to the likes of Rochdale and we would be a laughing stock, get a top 6 side and could get slaughtered. What would the players think as at the moment the only trophy's we can win are F A Cup and League cup as we are not good enough to win Premier league (32 points behind) or CL.
I hope he is not serious but this is the 2nd comment this weekend which is very strange.
Mauricio Pochettino may play Tottenham kids in next season's FA Cup | Daily Mail Online
Play the kids and what sort of attendance would he expect? Lose to the likes of Rochdale and we would be a laughing stock, get a top 6 side and could get slaughtered. What would the players think as at the moment the only trophy's we can win are F A Cup and League cup as we are not good enough to win Premier league (32 points behind) or CL.
I hope he is not serious but this is the 2nd comment this weekend which is very strange.
Mauricio Pochettino may play Tottenham kids in next season's FA Cup | Daily Mail Online
Good for you...let's get a manager who gives a fuck about the Cup, good luck finding one...
Poch slating the FA Cup is tough on the eyes. Pretty disrespectful considering the history of the Cup and even worse to most Spurs supporters who deeply value and respect the FA Cup. Throw in the lack of a single trophy over the last decade, he seems to be out of touch in a big way.
Ahhhh got it.
I thought you were worried about their ability.