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Guido said:
No he didn't, unless one of them is clearly wrong, probably Squawka as they were the one's that went bust for being shit.
Ben Davies - History
Kieran Trippier - History

But you are just proving the point I made, your shit hot attacking force of an FB ain't all that shit hot when compared to Ben Davies who is ironically regarded as highly conservative player (I think you made have alluded to this yourself). And that's the problem with stats without context to performance. That's the problem having being so focused on assist stats they fail to see the impact of a player has on the balance of a team. Stats in isolation fail to take into account similar players, with similar numbers. (This applies also to teams, e.g. people banging on about Spurs away record to the big 6, without cross referencing it with the other away records of the other big 6. In politics it's the same, in isolation and without context or comparison you can't paint any lie you want).

Ben Davies is statistically a better attacking player than Trippier. Whether he is or isn't can be debated, but iyou are the one providing assist stats and creative passes to prove a point, but now you've been presented with stats that move otherwise. What's it to be?
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What?

Ive literally provided you with stats that prove Trippier is statistically a better attacking player. Maybe you confused the two players. He also makes 25% more passes per game (58 to 45 per game), and completes 81% of those to Davies 80%. Makes more take ons and more forward passes. He also makes more interceptions and 40% more tackles per game.

Fuck stats, anyone who can't tell Trippier's a more useful player than Davies needs give the opinion business a swerve.

I thinkvDavies had a really good first three/four months but seemed to regress to a very unadventurous meh. I wouldn't mind him being statistically less productive or contributive than Trippier, but I don't even think Davies is a brilliant defender.

Which is why I also said that after midfield, left back is our biggest issue.
 
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bus-conductor said:
What?

Ive literally provided you with stats that prove Trippier is statistically a better attacking player. Maybe you confused the two players. He also makes 25% more passes per game (58 to 45 per game), and completes 81% of those to Davies 80%. Makes more take ons and more forward passes. He also makes more interceptions and 40% more tackles per game.

Fuck stats, anyone who can't tell Trippier's a more useful player than Davies needs give the opinion business.

I Davies had a really good first three/four months but seemed to regress to a very unadventurous meh. I wouldn't mind him being statistically less productive or contributive than Trippier, but I don't even think Davies is a brilliant defender.

Which is why I also said that after midfield, left back is our biggest issue.
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Davies is solid, and sometimes solid is enough.

He reminds me of BAE without the occasional brain-farts. Not as bombastic as Trippier, Aurier, or Rose, but far more stable. I can live with that.
 
Jerry said:
Davies is solid, and sometimes solid is enough.

He reminds me of BAE without the occasional brain-farts. Not as bombastic as Trippier, Aurier, or Rose, but far more stable. I can live with that.
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I think when our RB is a marauder, having a more solid type LB is OK, but I actually don't think Davies is a brilliant defender either. Just OK. Honestly, I think we could do with two new LB's.
 
bus-conductor bus-conductor You might not be aware, but there is a thread for stats based stuff. It was created to stop other threads getting bogged down in this kind of ‘you’re wrong, no you’re wrong’ rubbish. I’m not telling you or Guido what to do, but please consider where you choose to post. Thanks.


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Joe Clash said:
But Kane is punching out -334/__^><+/44? We should be worried. He was 984/££/.534##=7 last year. I’m worried.
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Guido said:
No he didn't, unless one of them is clearly wrong, probably Squawka as they were the one's that went bust for being shit.
Ben Davies - History
Kieran Trippier - History

But you are just proving the point I made, your shit hot attacking force of an FB ain't all that shit hot when compared to Ben Davies who is ironically regarded as highly conservative player (I think you made have alluded to this yourself). And that's the problem with stats without context to performance. That's the problem having being so focused on assist stats they fail to see the impact of a player has on the balance of a team. Stats in isolation fail to take into account similar players, with similar numbers. (This applies also to teams, e.g. people banging on about Spurs away record to the big 6, without cross referencing it with the other away records of the other big 6. In politics it's the same, in isolation and without context or comparison you can't paint any lie you want).

Ben Davies is statistically a better attacking player than Trippier. Whether he is or isn't can be debated, but iyou are the one providing assist stats and creative passes to prove a point, but now you've been presented with stats that move otherwise. What's it to be?
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Yawn
 
Airfixx said:
...3CBs was surely due to them playing with 2STs?

Why overlook this for the more sinister viewpoint?
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Yep, you're probably right, I wasn't in a great mood when I posted that, though I do still wonder if it was a factor because three at the back doesn't necessarily give us the defensive security you'd think it would. Still gutted about the result, especially after Poch talked post match after Utd about ensuring exactly this didn't happen. But, I expect we will get a reaction next game.
 
Joe Clash said:
bus-conductor bus-conductor You might not be aware, but there is a thread for stats based stuff. It was created to stop other threads getting bogged down in this kind of ‘you’re wrong, no you’re wrong’ rubbish. I’m not telling you or Guido what to do, but please consider where you choose to post. Thanks.


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“Alan?”
“ Yes, Clash has matured this season I agree. He stays on his feet, shows him the outisde and nullifies the threat .
Last year he’d have jumped in there, gone to ground & made a rash tackle, receiving a yellow”
 
bus-conductor said:
What?

Ive literally provided you with stats that prove Trippier is statistically a better attacking player. Maybe you confused the two players. He also makes 25% more passes per game (58 to 45 per game), and completes 81% of those to Davies 80%. Makes more take ons and more forward passes. He also makes more interceptions and 40% more tackles per game.

Fuck stats, anyone who can't tell Trippier's a more useful player than Davies needs give the opinion business a swerve.

I thinkvDavies had a really good first three/four months but seemed to regress to a very unadventurous meh. I wouldn't mind him being statistically less productive or contributive than Trippier, but I don't even think Davies is a brilliant defender.

Which is why I also said that after midfield, left back is our biggest issue.
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Mate, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT STATS, however you clearly do, you have not stopped talking about them and using them to claim Trippier as a God of a fullback. I played you at your own game and provided you with stats (from whoscored) that show that Davies is statistically the more attacking player last year, but you ignore them. That's just bizarre but understandable because stats are wank when used out of context, as I have proved by throwing in the Davies comparison. You see you can manipulate them to set an agenda for the positive or negative.
 
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