Disappointing that nobody knocked him out or at least made an attempt, but then again it's the Saints.
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Disappointing that nobody knocked him out or at least made an attempt, but then again it's the Saints.
For me it’s more about the gesture than any expectation of results.
The pilot’s family are trying to raise funds to keep the search going, and have said that they are desperate to bring him home so that they can give him a proper burial.
I accept that there’s virtually no chance of finding the body, but surely it wouldn’t take much for any of the extremely rich parties involved to step in and say ‘here you go, don’t worry about trying to raise the cash’.
It’s a go fund me thing they’re using. If they don’t raise the cash it’s basically saying their loved one isn’t worth caring about.
The objective HAS to be recovering the body.
And it would be. The family ate just desperate to keep looking, and need to raise £300k to do so.
One of the clubs should just give them the money so they can continue the search, even if completely futile. It's a small gesture in the grand scheme of things. The pilot's family are clearly still grasping at staws and relying on public support to help them when the clubs could easily pay for it.
Nothing to do with results. It's about the family of the pilot knowing that everything that could be done, was done.
Everything that can be done, has. Search and rescue crews aren't frivolous commodities, they can't be tied up forever, lest some other poor soul be put in danger.
The point is that if they raise the money through the go fund me bid they'll get a private search party, the same as the one Sala's agent paid for.
It would be very easy for one or both of the clubs to pay for it. It would be a private search that won't achieve anything other than giving his family peace of mind that they did all they could, which for me would be worth it.
But it's not!
You're advocating tying up critical search and rescue in an admittedly futile exercise, just to make people feel better. Search and rescue isn't for sentimentality, it would be putting other lives at risk.
They were searching for the pilot's body, too. It's not as if they saw it in the water and ignored it because they were too busy recovering Sala.
Putting them back out there would just be a fishing expedition.
It would be a private investigation. That's the whole point of needing to raise funds. It wouldn't be depriving anyone of anything.
How many private search and rescue teams are there wouldn't it just be a lot of the same guys who would be better off searching for someone who has a chance of survival ? I understand the family are desperate but it's up to somebody to look at this objectively and put an end to this nonsense , why should anybody part with 100's of thousands of pounds to try and retrieve a corpse that's highly unlikely to be found ?
Cardiff doing themselves no favours with wrangling over Emiliano Sala payments
Matthew syed
If Emiliano Sala were alive, he would be playing for Cardiff City and enjoying the rest of what had been such a promising life. The young player, buried in his hometown of Progreso, in Argentina, on Saturday, came across as humble, hard-working, and committed to his future. He was also a fine player who might have made an impact on the world’s biggest sports league.
Nantes, for their part, would have received the £5 million as the first tranche of payment for the player they sold to the Welsh club for £15 million. That was the price agreed to by both clubs, written into a legal and binding contract signed by both parties, and the money upon which Nantes have made plans, budgetary considerations and much else besides.
Sala, of course, did not make it across the sea in that fateful journey. The air accident investigation branch (an outstanding institution: independent, fearless and empowered to get to the root causes of any accident or near miss) is still looking into the precise circumstances of the disaster. If there was any negligence from the owners of the aircraft, or anyone else, the case might end up in court or, in any event, a wrangle between Cardiff and their insurers.
Yet we now hear that Cardiff are seeking to avoid payment not because of alleged negligence but because they think they may have paid an inflated price for Sala. According to a report in the Mail on Sunday, confirmed by the club, Cardiff have written to other Premier League clubs asking for assistance in “sharing your knowledge of Sala as a player”. The correspondence from a Cardiff law firm describes Sala, who was 28, as “the player that Cardiff tried to sign” rather than the player that they did sign. The phrasing is telling.
To understand the context, consider the events leading up to this impasse. You’ll remember that Sala’s transfer was brokered by Willie McKay, an agent operating out of Monaco. In an interview with L’Équipe, McKay admitted to fomenting coverage in the British press that West Ham United and Everton were interested in Sala. These fake stories were a calculated attempt to ignite interest in the player, inflating his sale price. “That is how we work,” he said in an email to Sala.
We also know that when Nantes first asked for payment of the initial tranche of the transfer fee this month, Cardiff refused. The public stance was that the club were “shocked” to have received a request for payment before Sala’s body had even been recovered. They also let it be known that they wanted to understand the full details surrounding the crash before paying any money.
This is the context in which the latest manoeuvring has to be viewed. It seems like an attempt to delay payment again, but this time not by pointing to the circumstances of the crash but the legitimacy of the fee itself. The idea is that if McKay planted false stories to inflate the price, Cardiff may have grounds not to pay. According to sources at the club, they believe that they may have a case of fraud.
It is here that one cannot help but shake one’s head. It is not Nantes who are behaving unreasonably; it is Cardiff. They must know that no sane judge would accept that, in a world such as football, a club could reasonably claim to have been defrauded because they were duped by a fake transfer story.
Cardiff had everything they needed to objectively verify their valuation of the player: his stats, goal tally; hell, they could have watched replays of every match he had played.
One cannot help being reminded of the Latin phrase caveat emptor: buyer beware. If you are purchasing a player for a record fee, take the time to be certain that you have assessed his talents correctly. If you are being approached by an agent, ask yourself whether he may be exaggerating the qualities of the player in order to get the deal over the line. It is not as if Neil Warnock, the Cardiff manager, was unfamiliar with McKay’s modus operandi; they are reported to be close friends.
Yet if Cardiff have little prospect of making this argument stand up in court, why are they pushing it so hard? Do they hope to outstare Nantes? Do they hope that the French club will blink first? Do they think that by delaying, dithering, and engaging in selective leaking about the crassness of Nantes in demanding payment for a deceased player, they may get off the hook for payment, if not for the full price, then at least for a chunk of it?
If this is the case, then I suspect that Cardiff are making a severe miscalculation. The public, including fans of Cardiff, are not stupid. Yes, they are horrified by what happened to Sala; yes, they want to get to the bottom of the tragedy, not least to prevent such a thing happening again; and, yes, they wish for respect to be paid to the player and his family. But they also understand that the rule of law is the bedrock upon which all our liberties and safeties depend. They understand, too, that for all the distaste for football agents, it is hypocritical for clubs to use them to leak stories to inflate the price of their own players and then cry blue murder when they do the same to transfer targets.
Of course, nobody beyond the parties themselves knows the precise wording of the contract upon which the sale was based, so if Cardiff really do have legal grounds to avoid payment, they are entitled to pursue them.
According to the Mail on Sunday, Cardiff have said they will “do the right thing” but have indicated that they “first want full facts disclosed about what happened and the involvement of agents with Nantes in the deal”.
But this does not alter the subtler point that Nantes should feel no qualms about seeking this same money through all legal means, despite the insinuations of crassness and insensitivity levelled at them.
For the moment that PR and spin take precedence over the objectivity of a signed contract, we are all in trouble.
Cardiff doing themselves no favours with wrangling over Emiliano Sala payments
Didn't mind milking the mawkish sentimentality. Don't want to honour their contract with Nantes.
Wankers
Matthew syed
If Emiliano Sala were alive, he would be playing for Cardiff City and enjoying the rest of what had been such a promising life. The young player, buried in his hometown of Progreso, in Argentina, on Saturday, came across as humble, hard-working, and committed to his future. He was also a fine player who might have made an impact on the world’s biggest sports league.
Nantes, for their part, would have received the £5 million as the first tranche of payment for the player they sold to the Welsh club for £15 million. That was the price agreed to by both clubs, written into a legal and binding contract signed by both parties, and the money upon which Nantes have made plans, budgetary considerations and much else besides.
Sala, of course, did not make it across the sea in that fateful journey. The air accident investigation branch (an outstanding institution: independent, fearless and empowered to get to the root causes of any accident or near miss) is still looking into the precise circumstances of the disaster. If there was any negligence from the owners of the aircraft, or anyone else, the case might end up in court or, in any event, a wrangle between Cardiff and their insurers.
Yet we now hear that Cardiff are seeking to avoid payment not because of alleged negligence but because they think they may have paid an inflated price for Sala. According to a report in the Mail on Sunday, confirmed by the club, Cardiff have written to other Premier League clubs asking for assistance in “sharing your knowledge of Sala as a player”. The correspondence from a Cardiff law firm describes Sala, who was 28, as “the player that Cardiff tried to sign” rather than the player that they did sign. The phrasing is telling.
To understand the context, consider the events leading up to this impasse. You’ll remember that Sala’s transfer was brokered by Willie McKay, an agent operating out of Monaco. In an interview with L’Équipe, McKay admitted to fomenting coverage in the British press that West Ham United and Everton were interested in Sala. These fake stories were a calculated attempt to ignite interest in the player, inflating his sale price. “That is how we work,” he said in an email to Sala.
We also know that when Nantes first asked for payment of the initial tranche of the transfer fee this month, Cardiff refused. The public stance was that the club were “shocked” to have received a request for payment before Sala’s body had even been recovered. They also let it be known that they wanted to understand the full details surrounding the crash before paying any money.
This is the context in which the latest manoeuvring has to be viewed. It seems like an attempt to delay payment again, but this time not by pointing to the circumstances of the crash but the legitimacy of the fee itself. The idea is that if McKay planted false stories to inflate the price, Cardiff may have grounds not to pay. According to sources at the club, they believe that they may have a case of fraud.
It is here that one cannot help but shake one’s head. It is not Nantes who are behaving unreasonably; it is Cardiff. They must know that no sane judge would accept that, in a world such as football, a club could reasonably claim to have been defrauded because they were duped by a fake transfer story.
Cardiff had everything they needed to objectively verify their valuation of the player: his stats, goal tally; hell, they could have watched replays of every match he had played.
One cannot help being reminded of the Latin phrase caveat emptor: buyer beware. If you are purchasing a player for a record fee, take the time to be certain that you have assessed his talents correctly. If you are being approached by an agent, ask yourself whether he may be exaggerating the qualities of the player in order to get the deal over the line. It is not as if Neil Warnock, the Cardiff manager, was unfamiliar with McKay’s modus operandi; they are reported to be close friends.
Yet if Cardiff have little prospect of making this argument stand up in court, why are they pushing it so hard? Do they hope to outstare Nantes? Do they hope that the French club will blink first? Do they think that by delaying, dithering, and engaging in selective leaking about the crassness of Nantes in demanding payment for a deceased player, they may get off the hook for payment, if not for the full price, then at least for a chunk of it?
If this is the case, then I suspect that Cardiff are making a severe miscalculation. The public, including fans of Cardiff, are not stupid. Yes, they are horrified by what happened to Sala; yes, they want to get to the bottom of the tragedy, not least to prevent such a thing happening again; and, yes, they wish for respect to be paid to the player and his family. But they also understand that the rule of law is the bedrock upon which all our liberties and safeties depend. They understand, too, that for all the distaste for football agents, it is hypocritical for clubs to use them to leak stories to inflate the price of their own players and then cry blue murder when they do the same to transfer targets.
Of course, nobody beyond the parties themselves knows the precise wording of the contract upon which the sale was based, so if Cardiff really do have legal grounds to avoid payment, they are entitled to pursue them.
According to the Mail on Sunday, Cardiff have said they will “do the right thing” but have indicated that they “first want full facts disclosed about what happened and the involvement of agents with Nantes in the deal”.
But this does not alter the subtler point that Nantes should feel no qualms about seeking this same money through all legal means, despite the insinuations of crassness and insensitivity levelled at them.
For the moment that PR and spin take precedence over the objectivity of a signed contract, we are all in trouble.
Cardiff doing themselves no favours with wrangling over Emiliano Sala payments
Didn't mind milking the mawkish sentimentality. Don't want to honour their contract with Nantes.
Wankers
Spot on. Thought the same when I saw this news bit, fast on the heels of Warnock's ugly mug at the funeral.
Nantes should not get their money, because Cardiff has had their pants pulled by an agent, who's also somehow convinced them to sign his son. Hard to fathom their logic!
I hope Cardiff crash out of the PL hard, and old man Warnock mistakes a training cone for a chair and sits down even harder
Signed McKays twin sons despite them being nowhere near league standard. Warnock’s son Is an agent involved in six Cardiff signings.Spot on. Thought the same when I saw this news bit, fast on the heels of Warnock's ugly mug at the funeral.
Nantes should not get their money, because Cardiff has had their pants pulled by an agent, who's also somehow convinced them to sign his son. Hard to fathom their logic!
I hope Cardiff crash out of the PL hard, and old man Warnock mistakes a training cone for a chair and sits down even harder
By the way...Redknapp is a big mate of McKay owned a horse with him. And we did sign chimbonda twice...another of his players. A very good reason why clubs should not let the manager dictate on signings.
Cardiff are now claiming that Sala had signed a invalid PL contract and that they should not have to pay Nantes any money.
This is going to get A LOT uglier before it gets better.
This is going to get A LOT uglier before it gets better.
Who would even admit that they drew up and offered him a dodgy contract!!
Given the leaked emails from the agents at the time too both the Club and the agents are absolutely fucked. The only way for them to come out of this looking good (and therefore giving them a future in signing players in the future) is to honour what the contract should have been.
Does it even matter if the player is not registered with the PL?
Silva is an example where the sale happened and the player wasn't registered.
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This has now officially exceeded my tolerance for sleaziness.
Cardiff living up to their reputation as a bunch of cunts. Vile club.
The sad thing is with the unfortunate timing of this tragedy you just KNEW that this sort of "who owns him" back and forth would happen.
Disgusting, this is what is becoming of this "sport"
The reason he was on the flight was because Cardiff had signed him. If it was due to a discrepancy with Cardiff & the insurance firms I could understand more but if it's down to if Cardiff have an issue with bogus paperwork loopholes or legalities that I'm not OK with.
Pay up, be a gentleman about an awful set of events and let Sala, his name & his family find some peace now. Cardiff should donthe honoruable thing
from what I have read on the case insurance will not pay out (due to the nature of the flight he is not insured), Cardiff know this and are now looking at any reason not to pay.
From the latest report Cardiff are trying to make the responsibility fall on Nantes for the flight and trying to get the family on their side as well. Mckay (younger) was working for Nantes and he arranged the flight seems to be the route they are trying. Everything else is muddying the water.
From their side they are hated anyway and £15m is £15m.