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Transfers Summer 2019 transfer thread

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bk_spur said:
I understand Levy is allergic to debt, but seriously, interest rates are cheap as fuck right now.
Not really sure why he is averse to taking on a little bit to help us out, or even just standing pat for a year and not paying back principle for a season. Sometimes you need to spend money to make money...
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I'm more talking in terms of when we were in a position to make the kind of hyped kid signings that BVB, Monaco, Sevilla were associated with. Once we had that extra draw of CL.... We all but stopped, now I read about prospects on here and watch them snapped up by the likes of Leicester, Lyon or BVB (still).
 
Mampi said:
Yes that's fair - the market has changed quite a lot in a couple of years.
I would still say that £25m should have a large part of it made up by clauses. I doubt there's much interest for him at the moment too, and time is well on our side.

You think he's a likely England starter though? Chilwell, Sancho, Sterling will likely offer him some firm competition for the majority of his career.
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Yea maybe but Sancho is a RW and Sterling could easily play behind the striker.
Sess is also 6 years younger than Sterling.
 
Park Lane Mark Twain said:
But the bubble will inevitably burst. The elite players will continue to command high fees but it simp,y isn't sustainable to chuck more money than you gain in profit at signings and wages every single year.

The market has changed agreed but we always see a dramatic inflation spike the year a new TV deal kicks in, it happens every time and plateaus somewhat the following season or two after. It will spike again but these teams getting loan funding from their owners will need to pay it back, be it over 5 years or 50, it's not within the rules of the game for an owner to just dip into their pocket with no payback required, although the loopholes really have been exposed and manipulated by 75% of the Premier League clubs. I wonder how long these owners will continue throwing dough at their new hobbies before their greed kicks in and they say no more, leaving a lot of clubs having to pay off large sums with next to nothing to show for it, no larger stadium, no trophy just a few flamboyant years as a Premier League club.
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The TV money is an interesting one. Maybe I'm naive, but the majority of Prem club money comes from TV and prize. The funding from these I would expect are primarily made up from sponsorship and TV subscriptions.
Can't see people being prepared to pay much more than their current £100+ monthly TV subscriptions, so they need to get more people interested in football for further growth there. Think the UK is pretty much at capacity for what they could expect.
So why would sponsorship continue to be more valuable when it's to sustain the audience numbers their products are thrown at.
What's to say some government doesn't come in and passes something which significantly changes TV rights, illegal streaming, or anything else that could impact on the game?

Exponential growth doesn't seem possible. Who will be prepared for the bubble burst? Pretty fucking sure Tottenham will be ready as long as Levy is at the wheel.
 
Mampi said:
The TV money is an interesting one. Maybe I'm naive, but the majority of Prem club money comes from TV and prize. The funding from these I would expect are primarily made up from sponsorship and TV subscriptions.
Can't see people being prepared to pay much more than their current £100+ monthly TV subscriptions, so they need to get more people interested in football for further growth there. Think the UK is pretty much at capacity for what they could expect.
So why would sponsorship continue to be more valuable when it's to sustain the audience numbers their products are thrown at.
What's to say some government doesn't come in and passes something which significantly changes TV rights, illegal streaming, or anything else that could impact on the game?

Exponential growth doesn't seem possible. Who will be prepared for the bubble burst? Pretty fucking sure Tottenham will be ready as long as Levy is at the wheel.
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But CB's, including BoE, will always inflate rather than face deflationary bust.
There will be no reset of prices to past levels.
 
bk_spur said:
Yea maybe but Sancho is a RW and Sterling could easily play behind the striker.
Sess is also 6 years younger than Sterling.
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Sterling Alli Foden Sancho behind Kane seems to be what we will be looking at for the foreseeable future.
By the time sterling hangs up his boots, Sess will be in his prime age range - but fuck knows what 12 year old kid sitting at home after his park game earlier today will be turning out for England by then.
 
Mampi said:
The TV money is an interesting one. Maybe I'm naive, but the majority of Prem club money comes from TV and prize. The funding from these I would expect are primarily made up from sponsorship and TV subscriptions.
Can't see people being prepared to pay much more than their current £100+ monthly TV subscriptions, so they need to get more people interested in football for further growth there. Think the UK is pretty much at capacity for what they could expect.
So why would sponsorship continue to be more valuable when it's to sustain the audience numbers their products are thrown at.
What's to say some government doesn't come in and passes something which significantly changes TV rights, illegal streaming, or anything else that could impact on the game?

Exponential growth doesn't seem possible. Who will be prepared for the bubble burst? Pretty fucking sure Tottenham will be ready as long as Levy is at the wheel.
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I read a tweet saying something along the lines of Bournemouth for example getting 93% of their funding from their owners. Here's the picture below:

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Whilst this on the surface looks like owners have freely given money to their clubs the bigger picture is as follows:

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It's all owner shares and owner loans. All needs to go back to the owners be it in club payments back to them or when takeovers occur. It's not free money, it's money to get paid back much like we have to with our stadium. The interest owed is a different matter altogether but the ironic thing is the two clubs ran the best financially Woolwich and Spurs get the most ridicule.

Leicester, the fairytale club received more in owner loans and owner shares than they actually made as a club themselves. Nothing fairytale about that it's mostly plastic. Bournemouth over the last decade have seen 93% of their funds come from everything other than their actual football club. What happens when the shit hits the fan?
 
Park Lane Mark Twain said:
I read a tweet saying something along the lines of Bournemouth for example getting 93% of their funding from their owners. Here's the picture below:

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Whilst this on the surface looks like owners have freely given money to their clubs the bigger picture is as follows:

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It's all owner shares and owner loans. All needs to go back to the owners be it in club payments back to them or when takeovers occur. It's not free money, it's money to get paid back much like we have to with our stadium. The interest owed is a different matter altogether but the ironic thing is the two clubs ran the best financially Woolwich and Spurs get the most ridicule.

Leicester, the fairytale club received more in owner loans and owner shares than they actually made as a club themselves. Nothing fairytale about that it's mostly plastic. Bournemouth over the last decade have seen 93% of their funds come from everything other than their actual football club. What happens when the shit hits the fan?
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Nice post, thanks.

Utd and Liverpool are the biggest clubs by far, and is reflected here.
What I find staggering is how we have managed to muscle in towards their level with sustainable growth. We are all very aware it hasn't been backed up with trophies (yet) but we are here to stay. You would have to be pretty shallow and narrow minded to look at football over 2-3 year periods rather than 10-20+ year periods.
Really excited about the next 10 years
 
brumspur said:
You telling me if we won the prem or champ lge with dele playing cm he would want to leave??? Use your noodle bruv
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Dele will probably want to leave within a few years regardless of what we win or where he plays.
Really doesn't strike me as a loyal kind. It's fine though, I came to terms with it long before it happening.
Can see him being one of those players who ends his career with a bunch of trophies playing for a number of huge clubs around Europe.
 
Mampi said:
Nice post, thanks.

Utd and Liverpool are the biggest clubs by far, and is reflected here.
What I find staggering is how we have managed to muscle in towards their level with sustainable growth. We are all very aware it hasn't been backed up with trophies (yet) but we are here to stay. You would have to be pretty shallow and narrow minded to look at football over 2-3 year periods rather than 10-20+ year periods.
Really excited about the next 10 years
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Our operations over a ten year period from 2008-2017 were the following:

Tottenham Hotspur - £675m
Liverpool - £341m
Man City - £146m
Chelsea - £76m

During that time our owner investment has been £14m, compared to the £257m Liverpools board loaned them, £1.275bn Man City's board fabricated for them & £520m Chelsea were reliant on with Romans loans. Trophies or not we have done an insanely good job holding our own with this lot whilst we focused on the new training centre, new stadium etc of which up until 2017 we had paid off £493m of our debts. (Capital Expenditure as you can see was £493 up to 2017:

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People say about the financial pinch the stadium will bring us moving forward but very few realise that we've actually paid off nearly £500m of it already, based on the prudent goings on over the last decade. The pay back will only speed up now we have twice the profits based on matchday revenue to look forward to now. Woolwich paid there's off after it was built, we are already nearly halfway paid off without even kicking a ball in the new place.

As you said pal, exciting times ahead indeed.
 
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So, most likely incomings according to bookies (Skybet):

Jack Clarke 1/10
Ryan Sessegnon 1/5
Giovani Lo Celso 4/9
Tanguy Ndombele 4/9

Most likely departures:
Kieran Trippier 8/13 to join Juventus
Christian Eriksen 5/6 to join Real Madrid

Ndombele in for Dembele effectively. Lo Celso for Eriksen.

Ndombele sounds like exactly what we need.

Lo Celso promising but unlikely to reach Eriksen levels of goals/assists in first season at least. One to be patient with.

Not seen/heard much about Clarke, but reports he'll be loaned back to Leeds so presumably not quite ready.

Sessegnon I thought underwhelmed this year, not involved or competitive enough, but I am expecting Poch to work his magic.

All in all, this would be a v good window in the circumstances, and good to see bookies at least seem to think these deals are more likely than not.
 
Belgrano said:
Sessegnon I thought underwhelmed this year, not involved or competitive enough, but I am expecting Poch to work his magic.
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That was in a shambolic Fulham team under 3 different managers, I think he will look much better with better players around him in a well-coached side, might take a season before he becomes a regular starter, but he's just 19 years old, 2 goals & 6 assists isn't too bad in his first ever Premier League season.
 
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So my kinda itk mate told me some news about ndombele. Aulas would rather sell to Paris because they have all the money but he will much likely end up in Tottenham.

Paris targets including savic, tonali, barella, herrera...
 
Nabil Bentaleb said:
So my kinda itk mate told me some news about ndombele. Aulas would rather sell to Paris because they have all the money but he will much likely end up in Tottenham.

Paris targets including savic, tonali, barella, herrera...
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You've been on the money a fair old bit with your ITK so I'm taking this as positive news fella. Personally I can see Tonali heading to PSG, he seems a good fit for them. All updates much appreciated pal
 
todd1882 said:
how do you support this claim? In order to do so it stands to reason that you would need inside information to suggest our scouting was sound. Absent that then perhaps the criticism has some merit.
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I'm only claiming an outside perspective... I was also suggesting it isn't as good as it could be.....

I see you've just 'liked' my subsequent post where I provided a little more detail.



More haste m'thinks, Mr Hawkeye. ;)
 
Nabil Bentaleb said:
As long I can help mate. Let’s hope levy pays the moneys. I think it’s very likely he signs
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I reckon £60m gets him but knowing Aulas and knowing the panic stages of the market and insane money with the likes of Real Madrid & Man U etc I wouldn't be surprised if someone else dangles a little more than £60m under his nose.

Aulas knows with a club like Tottenham that we won't fuel his cash flow like others do, hence him comments earlier in the summer about who he'd rather sell to and us not being one of those teams he mentioned.
 
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