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Supporters Rudiger claims he heard monkey chants

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I hate Scousers said:
What has the Tory party or the PM got to do with yesterdays alleged incident?

Zero

So he shouldn't be bringing them up at all, its not his place, and I hope he gets slapped down for it.

But, yeah lets blame the Tories, and while we are it lets brame the Brexiteers as well, as I've seen some people doing on Social media this morning. It's totally their fault that a couple of racist idiots shouted at Rudiger, that will heal the divide in the country won't it?
That won't just polarize people further and cause more friction at all.
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If you didn't think a reaction against so-called PC culture would see an actual increase in prejudice than you are woefully naive.

Brexit DID embolden racists and xenophobes though, of that there is no doubt but of course the vast majority of people that voted Leave aren't racists nor xenophobic.

I suspect there was no monkey chanting or gestures and Rudiger simply misinterpreted the chants and what was being sung. I hope so anyway.

Shit game and result, don't need the stink if racism to go along with it.

Merry fucking Christmas indeed.

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Oh and maybe we were a bit too hasty to hail Jose as the Messiah and label Poch as a failure but that's a debate for another day.
 
MDG said:
If you didn't think a reaction against so-called PC culture would see an actual increase in prejudice than you are woefully naive.

Brexit DID embolden racists and xenophobes though, of that there is no doubt but of course the vast majority of people that voted Leave aren't racists not xenophobic.

I suspect there was no monkey chanting or gestures and Rudiger simply misinterpreted the chants and what was being sung. I hope so anyway.

Shit game and result, don't need the stink if racism to go along with it.

Merry fucking Christmas indeed.

:pochunimpressed:

Oh and maybe we were a bit too hasty to hail Jose as the Messiah and label Poch as a failure but that's a debate for another day.
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he definitely got it wrong yesterday by playing no midfield, was like a re-run of the United game, we just got swamped and couldn't get any service up to the front 4.

I think you are right and he misheard another chant, he was abused in Italy so its only natural he is going to hear the worst.
At least I hope that's the case as well.

I'd like to think we aren't like that at Spurs, but there are always outliers
 
Blanchflower said:
They aren't. I was booted out of old Trafford once for something they'd seen on camera, the police came to do it. Not the stewards.
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Yep that's protocol.

I was at a Leyton Orient v Walsall game a couple of months ago.

I was sitting in the Walsall away end and Walsall scored. Some guy chucked a flare over my head onto the pitch. Stewards did nothing because 5 minutes later police turned up and arrested the 1 guy from a crowd of 900 people.

There were CCTV cameras in plain view of everyone. Deliberately used as a deterrent.
 
1882 said:
It HAS been Chelsea... for DECADES!
.. and only NOW the media are jumping on it... yes, they have been in the spotlight cos of Raheem Sterling, but are we now to believe WE'RE on a par with THEM on the racist fans comparison...? Do me a favour!!
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Mate this time it was us.

If we are better than chelsea in the moral sense, let's own it and ensure it never happens again. It was only a year ago that one of our fans threw a banana on the pitch! Were not Angel's, nobody is.

I'd just like to see us show that we are the open tolerant club we claim by owning this and making sure anybody who does what happened yesterday is not welcome, wanted and scared to be at spurs.
 
Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson have recently declared they are joining the Conservative Party. Says it all.

Nurturing nationalism to win elections hasn't directly caused this, but it hasn't done anything to discourage it either.
 
AussieYiddo said:
I’m fucking appalled how quick and proud people are to say ‘where’s his evidence?’ What the fuck did you think he was gonna do, pull an iPhone out of his sock and start recording? This shit is happening every week, something needs to be done and if it wasn’t a Spurs fan then it’s occurring somewhere else throughout Europe. Don’t take it as an attack on our club,
simfin said:
I really want think this is a case of misinterpretation and if not the investigation will find, then publicly out the person/people involved. I also like to think our support base is better than this. I was in that general area yesterday albeit in the South Stand and a fair few rows back, but there was no sign of any chants going on. There would have been loads of Stewards in that area who hopefully will be able to assist.

Having said that, there was an incident to the left of me where one individual was standing. He was asked several times to sit down. Then launched into a tirade of abuse to those behind him. It was pretty full on, threatening them with all sorts of shit, he had really lost the plot. Whether he was pissed up or not I dont know, but I like to think if he saw footage of himself today, he would be ashamed. So, perhaps it was one individual like this who lost their head and did whatever is being alleged to have happened. Wasn't nice to see how aggressive he was to anyone, let alone our own fans and so many youngsters around. Was more surprising that he wasn't ejected by the stewards who were there in force.

Never seen so many people able to sneak a Beer into the Stadium as well.. not connected, but just saying.
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To be honest they were pretty pathetic dealing with the olympiakos fans in the home end. Not only did they cheer when they scored but they were deliberately provoking and goading the home fans around them. This was in full view of the stewards, who did very little and no ejections.

Only time I ve seen stewards get tough in the new ground is around the bar area when they go into full on thug 1980s bouncer mode for the smallest of misdeamours such as walking through the wrong entrance or roped area.
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I hate Scousers said:
he definitely got it wrong yesterday by playing no midfield, was like a re-run of the United game, we just got swamped and couldn't get any service up to the front 4.

I think you are right and he misheard another chant, he was abused in Italy so its only natural he is going to hear the worst.
At least I hope that's the case as well.

I'd like to think we aren't like that at Spurs, but there are always outliers
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I hope so as well. We have black players and black supporters but even if we had neither racism still wouldn't be acceptable. Only takes one or two idiots that have had one too many drinks and bam, a club's reputation is in the gutter.

I hope we can provide evidence that nothing untoward did happen but in all honesty the player could still claim he heard racist chanting and he'll be believed over us.
 
Devanteswing said:
Mate this time it was us.

If we are better than chelsea in the moral sense, let's own it and ensure it never happens again. It was only a year ago that one of our fans threw a banana on the pitch! Were not Angel's, nobody is.

I'd just like to see us show that we are the open tolerant club we claim by owning this and making sure anybody who does what happened yesterday is not welcome, wanted and scared to be at spurs.
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let's own it and ensure it never happens again...... welcome aboard the bandwagon...I'm presuming you have evidence it happened in the first instance?
 
MDG said:
Oh no, Neville has criticised the Tories. How fucking dare he?

Mate, stop being such a snowflake. 'Our' PM as you call him has came out with plenty of racist comments in the past. Don't defend him.

As for this....can only hope it's not true and evidence is presented to the authorities proving this. It's very sad if true.
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You're scraping the barrel here kid!
 
MDG said:
I hope so as well. We have black players and black supporters but even if we had neither racism still wouldn't be acceptable. Only takes one or two idiots that have had one too many drinks and bam, a club's reputation is in the gutter.

I hope we can provide evidence that nothing untoward did happen but in all honesty the player could still claim he heard racist chanting and he'll be believed over us.
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But that isn't right though is it? the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

without any evidence we can't just take his word for it, as that sets a dangerous precedent.

With the technology at our disposal surely we can prove this one way or the other and either exonerate the club or ban a few idiots for life?
 
Neumanator said:
let's own it and ensure it never happens again...... welcome aboard the bandwagon...I'm presuming you have evidence it happened in the first instance?
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If this wasn't football and you had a black friend say someone was doing that, would you support him or just demand evidence.

You sound like one of the bulgarians trying to defend those disgusting scenes.

No bandwagon here, nobody is getting personal.abuse , I just want to support a victim and encourage my club to find the evidence and deal with it in the harshest way possible.

Now if one guy was accused of it and having their life ruined I'd be inclined to agree but right now I stand with rudiger.
 
I hate Scousers said:
But that isn't right though is it? the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

without any evidence we can't just take his word for it, as that sets a dangerous precedent.

With the technology at our disposal surely we can prove this one way or the other and either exonerate the club or ban a few idiots for life?
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You're correct BUT check the media reaction, we're guilty as fuck UNTIL proven innocent.

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I hate Scousers said:
But that isn't right though is it? the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

without any evidence we can't just take his word for it, as that sets a dangerous precedent.

With the technology at our disposal surely we can prove this one way or the other and either exonerate the club or ban a few idiots for life?
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As was pointed out earlier.There are camera all over the shop.People are constantly fiming things on there blowers,it shouldn't be too hard or take too long to prove either way.

A few years back spurs and west ham fans had a tear up on the high road.Video footage of it was on the daily Mirror website within the hour. That's how quick things happen nowadays
 
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Tottenham Sean said:
A hammer on KUMB gave his cousins account of what happened,and what was going on were Boos.We are not lilywhite in things(no pun intended),but Monkey noises?! naaah, not having it.If it had happened,it would of kicked off.Can't remember the last time i sat in the ground and their wasn't someone of an ethnic background of some description near me.
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Absolutely and i'm not shocked or surprised.
Still no evidence backing Rudiger, who has done this before.
 
Devanteswing said:
If this wasn't football and you had a black friend say someone was doing that, would you support him or just demand evidence.

You sound like one of the bulgarians trying to defend those disgusting scenes.

No bandwagon here, nobody is getting personal.abuse , I just want to support a victim and encourage my club to find the evidence and deal with it in the harshest way possible.

Now if one guy was accused of it and having their life ruined I'd be inclined to agree but right now I stand with rudiger.
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I'll take that as a no for any evidence then
 
Devanteswing said:
Mate this time it was us.

If we are better than chelsea in the moral sense, let's own it and ensure it never happens again. It was only a year ago that one of our fans threw a banana on the pitch! Were not Angel's, nobody is.

I'd just like to see us show that we are the open tolerant club we claim by owning this and making sure anybody who does what happened yesterday is not welcome, wanted and scared to be at spurs.
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Allegedly.
 
Guido said:
No one is specifically calling all Spurs fans as racist mate.

That said supporting a football club passionately fosters a form of bond often described as a family. So it's good that you feel personally accused and carry some shame. Just as if it were a member of your family accused of it, you too would also no doubt feel that accusation personally too.

Fans do need to take this shame and channel it towards the racists and make it known there is no place for it in our Club. Not only do the players need to feel empowered but also the fans. e.g. If you were to hear it in the stadium it takes courage and guts to do something about it. I got into a row at The Lane when a small group of Spurs fans were racially abusing Sissoko. No one challenged them, everyone sitting in silence whilst they screamed racial hatred at him. I confronted them but was absolutely shiting myself. There is something fundamentally wrong if anyone is in fear of confronting racists in our house.

There is a lot of defence mechanisms being triggered and that is manifesting its self into almost denial to a point where it's kind of reflecting it back towards the accuser.

Take your shame, one thing that we ALL now are burdened with and channel it towards those who are the racists. They are there, they do exist. The more isolated, unwanted and not tolerated they feel the less they will be seen and heard.

I hope that you have taken this as a collective post including ALL Spurs fans and not singling you out of for anything at all. I too don't like the association, but that's now our shared burden whether we like it or not is what I'm trying to communicate.
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I am not taking any shame for something I haven't done thank you very much.
 
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