Surely it didn't happen until proved otherwise?
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Supporters Rudiger claims he heard monkey chants
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Surely it didn't happen until proved otherwise?
I once heard a fan call chimbonda a 'black cunt' in the park lane...not very loudly so no way it could be heard on the pitch, and realistically only a few closeby could have. I didn't report as
1. No way I could prove it
2. His mates next to him would have said it was a lie
3. If they had a suspicion it was me they could have possibly started on me
Not the same as this incident but just my e.g of not reporting
1. No way I could prove it
2. His mates next to him would have said it was a lie
3. If they had a suspicion it was me they could have possibly started on me
Not the same as this incident but just my e.g of not reporting
Btw quite a few posters including myself have stated we have heard racist comments/abuse at the Lane before from out lot. Does the fact that there is no video evidence mean we didnt hear it and it didn't happen?
What a massive cheating cunt this bloke is turning out to be - hope they throw the book at him the slimey prick
No in theory if your at a football match in which you’ve paid a lot of money to watch you should be concentrating on the game! But You know as well as I do that’s not the case now if a situation occurred as you said you’ve I encountered racism and confronted it no your first reaction won’t be to get your phone out for various reasons but what I’m saying is that no one in that area whether directly and more likely indirectly in this case didn’t have a phone in hand.....really? In which case Tottenham fans must have been totally absorbed
With the game, and obviously with the exception of one or two fans or..........?
Eh???? What????? This post is crazyyyyyyy.
So let me get this straight. If a man whispers "you black twat" to another man but the man cant actually prove it....it means it didnt happen? Wow.
The thread is about the Chelsea incident. So far there has been NO conclusive proof it happened.
If it did and the perpetrator is identified he should be banned.
Please answer the question put forward (and my other one as well).
Again, you are deflecting the argument in question.
I think you yourself are aware you made a very silly comment.
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So many people on here using terms like 'us', 'we', 'them'...
This is nothing to do with football, and nothing to do with the club they follow.
Were the situation 10s, 100s, or 1000s of fans all being racist as one, I would think this is problem with the Tottenham fan base. But it seems to be about 1 individual. Once that individual is caught, (assuming they did it) they should receive a lifetime ban, taking away any rights they had to represent our club in future.
What has nothing to do with skin colour is how much of a cunt Rudiger is. That look over his shoulder while on the ground deceiving the referee into giving a red card - it's cheating. I would expect our fans to give him a hard time when he gets near after that... boo's, calling him a cunt, wanker signs - the usual.
As a human in that situation, it's going to get your back up.. you're going to have to listen to all the abuse with no reaction. What can be heard will be chaotic, so to see monkey gestures or to hear monkey noises being made - the accused must be very close to the front. I think had the monkey gestures been made, we would have seen pictures like in the Manchester derby. But given the situation happening at the time, I do think it could have been easy for Rudiger to genuinely mishear something. I struggle to believe he incorrectly saw something though, and if the gestures were made I'm also amazed they haven't been caught. Swift action is necessary in a situation like this, but it seems we are unable to take action without the necessary supporting evidence.
This leads me to believe he heard something rather than saw. The classic 'monkey' sound is not too far from a 'boo' - which require a pretty similar mouth shape.. problematic for the lip readers I'm sure.
It's difficult though. I don't think Rudiger fabricated the accusation from nothing - even though he had moments before successfully deceived the referee. I am starting to wonder if he 'heard what he wanted to hear'.. and by that I don't mean he 'wanted' to be racially abused - but through all of the cunt calling, was half expecting and listening out for something of a racist nature. After all, Rudiger like most black people have to endure a complete life time of being on the receiving end of bullshit abuse like that because of their skin colour.
This is nothing to do with football, and nothing to do with the club they follow.
Were the situation 10s, 100s, or 1000s of fans all being racist as one, I would think this is problem with the Tottenham fan base. But it seems to be about 1 individual. Once that individual is caught, (assuming they did it) they should receive a lifetime ban, taking away any rights they had to represent our club in future.
What has nothing to do with skin colour is how much of a cunt Rudiger is. That look over his shoulder while on the ground deceiving the referee into giving a red card - it's cheating. I would expect our fans to give him a hard time when he gets near after that... boo's, calling him a cunt, wanker signs - the usual.
As a human in that situation, it's going to get your back up.. you're going to have to listen to all the abuse with no reaction. What can be heard will be chaotic, so to see monkey gestures or to hear monkey noises being made - the accused must be very close to the front. I think had the monkey gestures been made, we would have seen pictures like in the Manchester derby. But given the situation happening at the time, I do think it could have been easy for Rudiger to genuinely mishear something. I struggle to believe he incorrectly saw something though, and if the gestures were made I'm also amazed they haven't been caught. Swift action is necessary in a situation like this, but it seems we are unable to take action without the necessary supporting evidence.
This leads me to believe he heard something rather than saw. The classic 'monkey' sound is not too far from a 'boo' - which require a pretty similar mouth shape.. problematic for the lip readers I'm sure.
It's difficult though. I don't think Rudiger fabricated the accusation from nothing - even though he had moments before successfully deceived the referee. I am starting to wonder if he 'heard what he wanted to hear'.. and by that I don't mean he 'wanted' to be racially abused - but through all of the cunt calling, was half expecting and listening out for something of a racist nature. After all, Rudiger like most black people have to endure a complete life time of being on the receiving end of bullshit abuse like that because of their skin colour.
I'm talking about the incident that the whole thread is about. You are the one trying to widen the discussion.
Start another thread.
Nope. Let me spell it out for you. I am talking about the incident that happened at the Chelsea game.
I wanked over some interracial porn. I'm clear.
I'm in the States and we got a lot of racists (especially in the South where I live,) but I can't recall ever hearing anyone making monkey sounds or pantomime; they just spit vile racist slurs.
In all the years i have been going to spurs,even in much less enlightened times,there's always been people like yourself. My father was the same.I remember him turning on people on two occasions,once when a bloke was singing the Munich song and another when a bloke was going on about Liverpool fans not having jobs.I am under no illusions we have spurs fans who have views that many of us would find distasteful.What i am struggling with,is that no one appeared to hear it and no one said anything.Not everyone is built the same way,and wouldn't literally confront the person, but not even a shouted "have a word mate".Everyone i know that sits in that part of the ground,that i have spoken to, claim not to have heard anything of racist nature.I have asked ,male female ,black and white.No one heard it.That is why i'm struggling to believe it,not because i doubt we have people capable of saying these things.
Exactly. I think they player thinks he heard it but is LIKELY to have misheard it. So far there has been ONE unsubstantiated Tweet to back up the claim.
I don't know how many times I have to say, anyone proved to have made racist gestures, slurs or anything else should be banned.
So you are saying for this incident in particular you are applying the "it didnt happen if no evidence is found" ideology but for other incident involving race you don't apply it?
The fact is you stated there was 2 groups. The group that says we need to see evidence before deciding whether it happened and the group that want to condemn the club/fans without evidence.
I asked why havent you mentioned the third group which are the people who have stated it didnt happen ....your response was that it did not happen being that there was no evidence. Wow.
Whatever.