I thought the reason Poch failed is that he wasn't backed in transfer windows...
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Manager Jose Mourinho
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We outplayed them in the first half and scored a goal so yes his tactics seemed fine.
Unless you think that his tactics included telling Son and bergwijn to leave a guy wide open in the box for their first goal. Or for Dier and Davies to leave a guy wide open 5 feet in front of our net and for Dier to let the ball go right past him to that player without blocking the pass.
Not really sure what Jose is supposed to do tactically when we have 1 creative player in the squad. It has been an issue since the days of Poch so I am not going to blame Jose too much when the issue was lack of quality from our players and stupid, individual mistakes that led to goals.
I've heard of this, once, a long time ago. I've heard myths of a fit Harry Kane, a dominant Dembele and a once top notch defence, with a young talented manager not blunted by the constraints of money, or the manicial overbearers.Anyone remembers the times when we used to destroy teams with our high pressing and we were involved in title race?
Alas, not much remains of these times, only the legend survives.
We didn't create chances because we don;t have players who can create them. That's the issue not the manager.
Needs the players and the financial backing.
Klopp's Liverpool squad didn't just fall out of the fucking sky.
Klopp's Liverpool squad didn't just fall out of the fucking sky.
Thought Jose had worked on our defending?
We didn't really outplay them, we had better possession, that's totally different, they weren't hanging on and their keeper had little to worry him.
What are you supposed to do with one creative player? We have more than one.
But don't worry, much like Toby and Jan of 2016, the legend of Jose 2003-2010 remains.
How did we outplay them exactly? they had better chances, more shots on target... and more goals.
The biggest worry is that if Mourinho isn't the man (which he likely isn't) - it probably means another few years until we actually are where we want to be.
Because he isn't going to leave or be sacked in the summer. It'll be mid way through a season where he leaves or gets sacked, meaning we either get a caretaker manager in or have a young exciting manager in place to take over.
We then need to wait until pre-season for him to truly make his mark, but getting the right tactics into the right players could still take 6 or so months to really take effect...
We're potentially looking at 2023-2024 when we actually get back to where we want again IF this Mourinho experiment doesn't work.
It took Pochettino 2 and a bit years to make us look like champions and he started fresh in a summer, his own pre-season, had Premier League experience already and a novelty of having White Hart Lane in it's final year.
Because he isn't going to leave or be sacked in the summer. It'll be mid way through a season where he leaves or gets sacked, meaning we either get a caretaker manager in or have a young exciting manager in place to take over.
We then need to wait until pre-season for him to truly make his mark, but getting the right tactics into the right players could still take 6 or so months to really take effect...
We're potentially looking at 2023-2024 when we actually get back to where we want again IF this Mourinho experiment doesn't work.
It took Pochettino 2 and a bit years to make us look like champions and he started fresh in a summer, his own pre-season, had Premier League experience already and a novelty of having White Hart Lane in it's final year.
There's certain merit in that, but the problem with Pochettino was we were right back to square one with a mess of a squad, just like when he took over in 2014. We had a Pochettino who was weary, who'd lost the dressing room and who couldn't get the job done as regards winning trophies, when he had a group of players that were contending and possibly talented enough to be winning the big prizes.
It's different for the incumbent coach. Same players hearing the same message is an issue, happened to Klopp at Dortmund & Pep at Bayern. Need to refresh and rebuild, Fergie was the greatest at it.I thought the reason Poch failed is that he wasn't backed in transfer windows...
The biggest issue for Clubs is it's cheaper to replace the manager than the squad. New manager is supposed to be the new voice, the new challenge for the players, the focus they need. Also has to be the right manager.
Poch gets sacked a few months after getting a pay rise to about £9m a year, if that’s true.
Mourinho waltzes in like the fucking ‘trophy winning’ messiah and gets £15m a year straight off the bat!! ...team stays shit.
Mourinho waltzes in like the fucking ‘trophy winning’ messiah and gets £15m a year straight off the bat!! ...team stays shit
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We have two options here.... let him stay and rip the guts out of what’s he’s inherited or long him off and persevere with certain players we know have a ceiling that can’t go higher than what they currently perform at. Personally I’m for the former but Christ on a bike it’s a ropey old time sitting here trying to figure out how we had 70% possession in the 2nd half and only had a shot a time goal in the 89th minute.
Let’s him long off Aurier, Sanchez, Sissoko, Ndombele, Winks, Lamela, Lucas and give him the money to show it ain’t him it’s the gonads that turn out week in week out.
Let’s him long off Aurier, Sanchez, Sissoko, Ndombele, Winks, Lamela, Lucas and give him the money to show it ain’t him it’s the gonads that turn out week in week out.
I understand we have holes in the squad, but it isn't like we have SU's newly promoted squad. We have some class talent and we have had years now of poor man and game management.
I don't care for this man. It is always something with him. Ownership only comes when he wins and even then it is lined with sourness.
I guarantee you that if we had gotten a young coach in, say Marsch, Potter, Julian, we would at least have an identity in which to be excited about. Currently you can see the team not believing in the tactics.
The belief comes from the manager.
Listen to Jesse Marsch's halftime talk when RBS were down on Liverpool.
That is a coach you want to play for. Do you want to play for someone that throws players under the bus? That wants to score one goal and hold on for dear life? That has one way of build up?
Once you lose the locker room it is over and for me it is clear he has lost it. Toby smiling on the bench today says it all.
I don't care for this man. It is always something with him. Ownership only comes when he wins and even then it is lined with sourness.
I guarantee you that if we had gotten a young coach in, say Marsch, Potter, Julian, we would at least have an identity in which to be excited about. Currently you can see the team not believing in the tactics.
The belief comes from the manager.
Listen to Jesse Marsch's halftime talk when RBS were down on Liverpool.
That is a coach you want to play for. Do you want to play for someone that throws players under the bus? That wants to score one goal and hold on for dear life? That has one way of build up?
Once you lose the locker room it is over and for me it is clear he has lost it. Toby smiling on the bench today says it all.
Mate, we have just been spanked by a team that has a pre-COVID squad valuation of £63m !!:mourlmao:
Do they require excellent fullbacks are do they make fullbacks excellent? Chicken and egg - same situation with Rose and Walker before Poch arrived.
Not saying we have them, but maybe some young talent we can acquire or already in the pipeline.
I love Poch, and that likely will never come across in my posts here because i think firing him was 100% the right decision, and would love for him to manage this club again. I would have loved to have him stay on for 30 years even if he never won the title for us i would have been happy for him.
But as you point out at the end he was done and had to go. It was so sad to see and frustrating situation but as much as I love him it was time to move on.
I also think that he couldn't let go of some of his favorites. I could be totally off base because i know he talked about a painful rebuild but then he kept throwing certain guys back out there. So i wonder if he really would have been a good choice to rebuild the squad that he had such a strong connection with and player that he seemed to love so much.
if we sack Mourinho and bring in a new guy I would love to have Poch back after that. Or if we stick with Jose for another 2 years bringing back Poch would be a ok with me but I think he needs at least another 2 years away to move out more players and have him come back with a fresh start.
or maybe I am just too crazy and nostalgic and he should never come back at all.