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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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11 March


Tottenham and Chelsea have included Aaron Ramsdale on their list of goalkeeper targets for the summer.







ramsdale looks good but so did butland at his age. the other options are meh
 
I get what you mean, but I also think there is a certain amount of perfect hindsight going on as well.

When we signed Eriksen and Dele, they were very promising, but they weren't exactly proven articles for the PL either. For that matter, neither were Dier and Dembele, Son was promising but not exactly the talk of Europe, and Kane was getting flak from even Spurs fans initially.

So, what we did during that time was more of the same, signing players that looked promising and we've had a mixed bag during that time. And to a reasonable degree, it was a working formula. During the years you mentioned, we signed:

Wanyama
Janssen
Sissoko
N'Koudou
Sanchez
Moura
Aurier
Llorente
Foyth
N'Jie

No doubt some real misses in there, but there wasn't one of them that didn't look to fit a missing piece of the puzzle or didn't look like a potential really promising player. Maybe N'Jie and N'Koudou were the most questionable?

I agree with the general point is that we weren't out picking up proven, tested players that could come into the side and challenge some of our main players for a spot. The reality is that it just isn't part of the Spurs DNA to do that for a number of years. Levy is far too risk averse, and at the time would rather buy three less expensive and promising players for maybe 1-2 work out, than pay a whole load of money for a more established player that still isn't a guaranteed success.
Should also add we were pretty bad in evaluating talent. Investing in young promising players could be a very good deal (Ajax and Dortmund can confirm that), but none of these were promising players at all, even in buying cheap promising players we endend buying the third option and, of course, if our scouts were any good in evaluating talent, transfers like Janessen, N'Jié and Nkoudou should never have happened.
 
Should also add we were pretty bad in evaluating talent. Investing in young promising players could be a very good deal (Ajax and Dortmund can confirm that), but none of these were promising players at all, even in buying cheap promising players we endend buying the third option and, of course, if our scouts were any good in evaluating talent, transfers like Janessen, N'Jié and Nkoudou should never have happened.

Well, out of the three Janssen was likely the most promising. Although it wasn't in a top league, he just came off of a 31 goal season and a 22 goal season the year before that. He was also named the Dutch "Talent of the Year" in 2016.

He was a total bomb for us, there is no doubt, but I wouldn't say that there was any good indication that he was going to be as bad for us as he was.
 
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Should also add we were pretty bad in evaluating talent. Investing in young promising players could be a very good deal (Ajax and Dortmund can confirm that), but none of these were promising players at all, even in buying cheap promising players we endend buying the third option and, of course, if our scouts were any good in evaluating talent, transfers like Janessen, N'Jié and Nkoudou should never have happened.

Nonsense....

Reputation or Expectation:
Son
Wanyama
Janssen
Sanchez
Moura
Aurier
Llorente

Cheap/Little to lose:
N'Jie (Raw, but looked half decent)
Foyth (Raw, but looked half decent)
N'Koudou

Admittedly baffling
Sissoko
 
Summer 2016, 2017 and 2018.

We were signing average players as covers for the likes of Dier, Dembele, Eriksen, Dele, Son and Kane instead of signing players who were either as good as or better to keep the likes of Eriksen and Dele on their toes.

In those 3 seasons, we were in a position of strength to build a team that could sustain regular CL footy and compete with city and dipper for the highest honors.

Same mistakes were made in summer 2010 and 2011.
Newcastle had been prepared to sell Sissoko for £15m-£21m before the 2016 Euros. £15m-£21m.

Levy, after managing to save some pennies by:
opting for Janssen over Batshuayi;
pulling our interest in Wijnaldum (too darned expensive at £25m);
deciding Mane's wage demands of £100k a week might eat into his annual bonus;
leaving poor GKN holed up in a Travelodge for a month;
pissing everyone off with a £12m offer for Zaha in the middle of August;
ended up splurging £30m on a massive £15m-£21m Hobson's-Choice donkey.
That's the same Hobson's-Choice donkey to whom he dished out a 4-year contract extension three years later; a contract extension that had nothing to do with Poch (Poch's own words). Doesn't that speak volumes?...

In the middle of this 2016 summer of ecstasy, he annoyed his Head of Recruitment so much by his (deliberate or otherwise) failure to get our preferred (perfectly obtainable) targets-or simply complete deals in a, you know, timely fashion-that he tendered his resignation in the middle of a transfer window. Have you ever-in your life-heard of a Head of Recruitment resigning during a transfer window?

You will recall that the summer of 2015 was also a real hoot. And for those of you looking for a refresher, here are some quotes from WBA's chairman in relation to our shambolic pursuit of Saido Berahino.


Peace later released a statement accusing Spurs of unsettling Berahino in what he described as “an unfortunate episode."

He said: “We have a key player who has been very unsettled by antics which were designed to get him out of our club cheaply. Those tactics have continued despite my making our position clear in my first conversation with Daniel Levy on this subject in mid-August. I said selling Saido so late in the window was not on our agenda.

“Tottenham’s offers failed substantially to reflect Saido’s true value while the timing made no allowance for our own recruitment of a suitable replacement for a proven Premier League goalscorer. Saido has been unsettled to the point where our head coach has not felt able to select him for our last three games. We are now left with the task of repairing the damage created by this unfortunate episode.”

The same tired tropes. Same as it ever was.
 
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Newcastle had been prepared to sell Sissoko for £15m-£21m before the 2016 Euros. £15m-£21m.

Levy, after managing to save some pennies by:
opting for Janssen over Batshuayi;
pulling our interest in Wijnaldum (too darned expensive at £25m);
deciding Mane's wage demands of £100k a week might eat into his annual bonus;
leaving poor GKN holed up in an Travelodge for a month;
pissing everyone off with a £12m offer for Zaha in the middle of August;
ended up splurging £30m on a massive £15m-£21m Hobson's-Choice donkey.
That's the same Hobson's-Choice donkey to whom he dished out a 4-year contract extension three years later; a contract extension that had nothing to do with Poch (Poch's own words). Doesn't that speak volumes?...

In the middle of this 2016 summer of ecstasy, he annoyed his Head of Recruitment so much by his (deliberate or otherwise) failure to get our preferred (perfectly obtainable) targets-or simply complete deals in a, you know, timely fashion-that he tendered his resignation in the middle of a transfer window. Have you ever-in your life-heard of a Head of Recruitment resigning during a transfer window?

You will recall that the summer of 2015 was also a real hoot. And for those of you looking for a refresher, here are some quotes from WBA's chairman in relation to our shambolic pursuit of Saido Berahino.


Peace later released a statement accusing Spurs of unsettling Berahino in what he described as “an unfortunate episode."

He said: “We have a key player who has been very unsettled by antics which were designed to get him out of our club cheaply. Those tactics have continued despite my making our position clear in my first conversation with Daniel Levy on this subject in mid-August. I said selling Saido so late in the window was not on our agenda.

“Tottenham’s offers failed substantially to reflect Saido’s true value while the timing made no allowance for our own recruitment of a suitable replacement for a proven Premier League goalscorer. Saido has been unsettled to the point where our head coach has not felt able to select him for our last three games. We are now left with the task of repairing the damage created by this unfortunate episode.”

The same tired tropes. Same as it ever was.


Also a "hoot":

- We bought Sonny instead of Berahino (who turned out to be an absolute bust of a player).
- You'd also prefer if we pissed away 38m on Batshuayi rather than 17m on Jansen?
 
“Tottenham’s offers failed substantially to reflect Saido’s true value while the timing made no allowance for our own recruitment of a suitable replacement for a proven Premier League goalscorer. Saido has been unsettled to the point where our head coach has not felt able to select him for our last three games. We are now left with the task of repairing the damage created by this unfortunate episode.”
It's fashionable to think that we swerved a bullet with young Saido, that he was a wrong-un, a no-mark and so on.

I've always wondered what would have happened with him if we'd done fair business with West Brom at the time. I'd followed his career for about 18 months prior, at the time I watched a lot of England U21 (and as a result of what I saw, paid more attention to WBA) ,and he was head and shoulders the best available young target
 
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We can talk about Lucas, Llorente, Sissoko being donkeys all day and night, but simple fact remains we wouldn't have reached a CL final without them. For that reason, I will always consider them good signings.
 
Well, out of the three Janssen was likely the most promising. Although it wasn't in a top league, he just came off of a 31 goal season and a 22 goal season the year before that. He was also named the Dutch "Talent of the Year" in 2016.

He was a total bomb for us, there is no doubt, but I wouldn't say that there was any good indication that he was going to be as bad for us as he was.

Did he even get a proper chance though? I still think had poch shown him a bit of love and given him proper game time prior to Kane getting injured he might have found some form.
 
Also a "hoot":

- We bought Sonny instead of Berahino (who turned out to be an absolute bust of a player).
- You'd also prefer if we pissed away 38m on Batshuayi rather than 17m on Jansen?
That's what a scout mean to do, buy the good player over the bad one. If they didn't know Son was better than Berahino or Batshuayi were better than Janessen they should be fired. And there wasn't even much debate about who was the better player in these two situations.
 
Nonsense....

Reputation or Expectation:
Son
Wanyama
Janssen
Sanchez
Moura
Aurier
Llorente

Cheap/Little to lose:
N'Jie (Raw, but looked half decent)
Foyth (Raw, but looked half decent)
N'Koudou

Admittedly baffling
Sissoko
Yes, I was referring to N'Jie, Janssen (who was 21 when we bought him), Nkoudou and Foyth. The others were more or less stablished players. Foyth I think could be a good player, but no room for him here anymore.
 
Did he even get a proper chance though? I still think had poch shown him a bit of love and given him proper game time prior to Kane getting injured he might have found some form.

I think we (Poch) could have done more to nurture him, but I think he also screwed himself by refusing the Brighton loan.

S'funny; although he is used as a meme to beat us with, I often wonder why N'Jie didn't get more of a crack of the whip.... 386 minutes played; injured & sold.... Looked quite bright in a few appearances.
 
I thought Janssen was a perfect backup for Kane when we signed him...he certainly gave it everything, it just didn't work out. I don't think it was a failure on our part to buy him.
 
It's fashionable to think that we swerved a bullet with young Saido, that he was a wrong-un, a no-mark and so on.

I've always wondered what would have happened with him if we'd done fair business with West Brom at the time. I'd followed his career for about 18 months prior, at the time I watched a lot of England U21 (and as a result of what I saw, paid more attention to WBA) ,and he was head and shoulders the best available young target

Absolutely, we were more than complicit in his downfall. We tried to turn his head and he never recovered, who knows what he would have become if he'd have got the move.
 
Newcastle had been prepared to sell Sissoko for £15m-£21m before the 2016 Euros. £15m-£21m.

ended up splurging £30m on a massive £15m-£21m Hobson's-Choice donkey.
That's the same Hobson's-Choice donkey to whom he dished out a 4-year contract extension three years later; a contract extension that had nothing to do with Poch (Poch's own words). Doesn't that speak volumes?...

The same tired tropes. Same as it ever was.
From your lips to god's ears. Preach brother.
iu

The important thing is that you have filled us in on what about Sissoko. Inquiring minds have wanted to know for years.
 
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