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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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Utter drivel as usual.

As a medical man you're bizarrely lacking concern for evidence and awfully prone to confirmation bias and hearsay, aren't you?

Long term planning? Constant and considerable growth + the last 4 years in the CL and a new stadium is all just a result or cost-dodging and short-termism is it?

When was your "time off" from supporting us, Doc? 90s and early 2000s I'm guessing.... You clearly haven't got the stomach for the tougher times.
Careful, you'll end up like me on ignore.
 
The same criticism could be leveled at Lucas and Sonny and Dele.

I would agree with that . Being at home and not at s game you witness favouritism. If Dele ,Son and Lucas have a dribble and goes know where it is that was so unlucky if that's Lamela it he is greedy and should have done better.Can't remember what game it was after the lockdown but Lamela beat 2-3 players then laid it off to Kane but Lucas made the same run as Kane got in the way and ruined a great bit of play and a one on one. Some people are on his back straight away but others get a free ride
 
If you're looking for a manager today, in 2020, what is more important to you?

- what he has done in 2015-2020

OR

-what he has done 2000-2010

Last club:

2 trophies & runner up in the league.

Previous club:

On 3 May 2015, Chelsea were crowned Premier League champions after beating Crystal Palace with three games to spare.[136] Mourinho was subsequently named as Premier League Manager of the Season, with Chelsea losing just three matches all season.[137]
 
Fuck me.. Ole is a fraud. He's got away with it because Fernandes has taken to the PL well.

Was it LvG and Woodwards brilliance that got Utd to second spot in the league behind the centurions?? Or who won the Europa League and League Cup double?

Get over yourself, and actually support our manager.

I swear some 'fans' would rather see us finish 10th and go out of every competition just to say 'I told you so'
Being concerned about our current manager ability in modern game does not mean I want my club to finish 10th.
 
I prefer Lamela over Berg,Lucas and Dele . Those 3 are very greedy Lamela is more of a team man. His work rate is superb I would just like to see him fit and be the player he was at Roma. I genuinely believe him and Kane could work superb together if Lamela was played just behind him. They keep playing him on the wing but he was not a winger when we brought him he was a number10 playing just off Totti. He was superb but he came injured and has been played out of position but did not sulk just tried to adjust and give 100%

How can Lamela and Kane work well together when Lamela would never pass the ball to Kane?

I don't get the Lamela love here lately. He has repeatedly shown he is a ball hog, who is a poor passer on the few times he does decide to give the ball up, with very little scoring touch or instincts.

He what is he, a hardworking, good pressing, foul prone bench sub. He can be effective to bring on to see out a game for the last ~20 minutes when we are ahead or as desperate move when behind to try and force errors with the other team, but he is a liability going forward and with the ball at his feet because he thinks he is Messi and can run through the whole team so rarely looks for a pass and rarely beats even the first man let alone the whole team like he tries.

Bergwijn has constantly come on and created chances whether starting or off the bench. The idea of sitting Bergwijn and playing Lamela is bonkers.

GLC and Alli have both shown to not only be much better players, but much better in the role just behind the front 2/3 so taking them out to play Lamela is that role is not just bonkers but criminally irresponsible for a manager to do.

He is a bench player, and a mediocre one at that, and should be used as such. Maybe for a 2nd/3rd tier Serie A team he could start and if there is interest in that lets explore that transfer all day. I appreciate his effort and willing to give 100% but no way should he have an expanded role.
 
He hasn't done shit here yet, and didn't improve United either, and may very well be a spent force, but "Jose Mourinho never improves teams" translates to "I started watching football in 2016"
I think he should be judge by his time with Spurs. But of course he did improve United.

After spending on Maguire, Fernandes and Bissaka they are happy to finish third under Ole (fighting for CL until the last match). However, they´ve finished second under Mourinho - with Valencia and Young as his full-backs, Smalling as his most reliable CB, and of course, no Bruno Fernandes in the team. Second only to Man City, in front of Liverpool´s Klopp, Chelsea´s Conte and Tottenham´s Poch. That was two years ago.

In the previous season under Jose, they´ve won the League Cup and they´ve won the Europa League. That was 3 years ago... Not 30 years ago.

The narrative against him is obvious. I prefer to stay with the facts.
 
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Mourinho has won more trophies than Tottenham - but Mourinho also won those trophies at clubs mostly bigger (Inter, Madrid, Man Utd) or better financially within the respects of their own league (Porto, Chelsea) than Tottenham have ever been for the large part of their existence.

But I do think his aura, his past and the way he's respected can certainly help improve teams (even if it means the football isn't necessarily improved) in the same way signing a legendary footballer can help improve a team just by having that type of competition (Davids, Cambiasso etc)

I feel like Mourinho probably felt he hadn't really had much left to prove in the game. He's won the Champions League with 2 different clubs. He's won the Europa League with 2 different clubs. He's won the league in every country he's managed in. He's won the double in 3 different countries and a treble with one club.

I feel Tottenham is Mourinho's one last big challenge to himself and he'll do everything he can to try and make that succeed. We are the arguably the smallest club he's managed when comparing the clubs he's managed in their respective leagues (financially), we're the least successful from the point that we hadn't won a trophy in the 10 years prior to his arrival and Mourinho has a record of winning a trophy at every club he's managed in....

Jose doesn't like to fail - it's probably why he deserves at least that full season. That pre-season, that transfer window to truly make his mark. Not because of his past, not because of what he's won with far bigger and better clubs than us. But because of Mourinho himself, the man. The guy who doesn't understand failure.

Got to say though - if he hasn't won us anything by the end of the 2020-21 season, then we replace him.
 
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How can Lamela and Kane work well together when Lamela would never pass the ball to Kane?

I don't get the Lamela love here lately. He has repeatedly shown he is a ball hog, who is a poor passer on the few times he does decide to give the ball up, with very little scoring touch or instincts.

He what is he, a hardworking, good pressing, foul prone bench sub. He can be effective to bring on to see out a game for the last ~20 minutes when we are ahead or as desperate move when behind to try and force errors with the other team, but he is a liability going forward and with the ball at his feet because he thinks he is Messi and can run through the whole team so rarely looks for a pass and rarely beats even the first man let alone the whole team like he tries.

Bergwijn has constantly come on and created chances whether starting or off the bench. The idea of sitting Bergwijn and playing Lamela is bonkers.

GLC and Alli have both shown to not only be much better players, but much better in the role just behind the front 2/3 so taking them out to play Lamela is that role is not just bonkers but criminally irresponsible for a manager to do.

He is a bench player, and a mediocre one at that, and should be used as such. Maybe for a 2nd/3rd tier Serie A team he could start and if there is interest in that lets explore that transfer all day. I appreciate his effort and willing to give 100% but no way should he have an expanded role.


You have that round the wrong way .Ali is very greedy and Lo Celso has had more shots than Lamela . He passed more than the others just he always wants to play on the front foot . If you actually watched a game properly you will see Son , Lucas and Dele shoot more and try more dribbles or flashy flicks. People just have a bad opinion off Lamela
 
You have that round the wrong way .Ali is very greedy and Lo Celso has had more shots than Lamela . He passed more than the others just he always wants to play on the front foot . If you actually watched a game properly you will see Son , Lucas and Dele shoot more and try more dribbles or flashy flicks. People just have a bad opinion off Lamela

I'm sorry but if a player is at a club for 7 years and still hasn't made his way as a regular starter, he probably isn't good enough to be a regular starter.
 
Yeh - but Levy wants the club to be self-supporting. Just because Lewis can afford to buy players, doesn’t mean he has to. There’s a great bit in ‘Sunderland Til I Die’ when the new owners are looking at the books and see the old way of budgeting: ‘buy stuff and then send the bill to some guy in America’...there is no duty for Lewis / Levy / Kroenke / Abramovich to use their own money to pay for a club - if anything, that’s the outdated model left over from a different time when clubs were the toys of wealthy owners.
There’s so much money in elite football that they have to be run as a business: and they are - as someone posted the other day - shit businesses because they just absorb money. And - as City have seen, as Leeds saw, as everyone posts about Jose at Utd - money doesn’t guarantee the success...

What?

Money absolutely guarantees success. We can debate how much success it guarantees but the more you spend the better you do.

City is by far the most successful EPL team in recent years, spent the most. The other team people would argue is Liverpool who broke the record for highest price paid for CB in VVD and came close to the top when they added Alisson.

The Champions League over the past 15-20 years has routinely been won by the richest clubs in the world. Maybe you could claim the Ajax or our run last year show that smaller clubs can win but outside of that the finalists have routinely been the top 10 richest clubs in the world.

Outside of Leicester's miracle season in which everything went right when was the last time a non-rich club came close to winning the EPL? Again the closest team would be us who are at worst a top 20 richest club in the world and likely higher.

People will say that money/spending doesn't matter to justify Levy being cheap but the reality is spending wins. There is no argument that it doesn't.
 
You have that round the wrong way .Ali is very greedy and Lo Celso has had more shots than Lamela . He passed more than the others just he always wants to play on the front foot . If you actually watched a game properly you will see Son , Lucas and Dele shoot more and try more dribbles or flashy flicks. People just have a bad opinion off Lamela

LOL

Yes every other fan. coach, analyst. media member, opposing fans, opposing managers all have it wrong and you alone have it right.
 
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