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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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todd1882 said:
bus-conductor bus-conductor and Spursidol Spursidol ? Or some other youth watchers?
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Dunno. BC was never brave enough to meet me.

In any case, Poch never gave any minutes to the fellas on the shitter, so he cost us a fair few quid.
 
todd1882 said:
Lyon actually scouted young talent everywhere and produced some very fine talents from there very own academy. We apparently have no scouts and produce very little from "The Best Training Facility in the World" (tm).
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This part I don't agree with.

We produce a ton out of the academy, as much as could reasonably be expected. It's just that a team competing at our level is very unlikely to produce a concentration of elite talent at once that can fill up a first team, outside of a bolt of pure luck.

We COULD have Andros Townsend and Josh Onomah and Jake Livermore out there, we just wouldn't be anywhere near as good. We're better off selling those players for nice fees and using the money to subsidize our ambitions.

And in Harry Kane we have a player who is worth more alone than many great academies produce in decades.

And Lyon bought most of their big players of that era. Essien, Juninho, Malouda, Eric Abidal, etc.

They were a magnet for young talent within their own league, something that has always appealed to Levy, but because he was doing the same thing five years later and in England instead of France, the prices for those players were (and continue to be) absurd.

That's the thing about these "Moneyball" strategies, everybody copies what works and then the value proposition ends up being doing the thing that everyone is running away from.
 
FightingIllini said:
Step #1 of setting up a system like that is accepting that you aren't hiring decorated top managers, but rather young up and comers or well-trodden names who are willing to accept the contours of the project, and as soon as you have any success, the managers are going to want to leave, and you thank them for their services and let them go.

Levy fancies himself a connoisseur of managerial talent (and in fairness he is very good at it) so he can't quite bring himself to go there.
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Good points and for the most part accurate but on the continent it is much more common and accepted. Hell, essentially both Klopp and Pep are working with DOFs. Nagelsmann is working with one. I imagine it might be more the older group of coaches. I also don't think the DOF necessarily has to be above the coach in order for it to work. But it should be clear that no coach has the time to scout players and therefore it is not his responsibility. They make the mistake that so many before them have made and that is picking the guy that played well against them.
 
Five said:
Where did you get £750m from?

How did we pay for the CPOs?
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637 + 112 BOA/ML

Just from I've just read, this process started in 2009, so much longer process than I thought, raising 15m from a share issue to commence the CPO's, there was a 50m funding initiative Community Share scheme (not 100% whether this actually came to fruition but it's spoken about as if it did on wiki),

In terms of overall financing of the project (which is what Levy is taking about when he say 1bn - as I don't think the stadium itself alone cost this) there was 27m of local and central government, even the NHL chipped in 10m I think. The club started borrowing heavily on the project in 2015 (200m) so as you can imagine, what ever the club has put in from it's own resources, has not been a quick 250m - it's been chipped in over many years, from 2009 onwards.
 
Five said:
Dunno. BC was never brave enough to meet me.
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Don't think glory holes are his thing...takes a little bit of length.

Five said:
In any case, Poch never gave any minutes to the fellas on the shitter, so he cost us a fair few quid.
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Yup! And that's why there was no money in the Sammy Summer because Poch wasted so much academy 'talent'. It's all Poch's fault...and Sissoko of course.
 
todd1882 said:
Good points and for the most part accurate but on the continent it is much more common and accepted. Hell, essentially both Klopp and Pep are working with DOFs. Nagelsmann is working with one. I imagine it might be more the older group of coaches. I also don't think the DOF necessarily has to be above the coach in order for it to work. But it should be clear that no coach has the time to scout players and therefore it is not his responsibility. They make the mistake that so many before them have made and that is picking the guy that played well against them.
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Klopp and Pep both recognize the value of working with a highly professionalized recruitment operation, and of course appreciate the massive financial backing available at those clubs. And Pep in particular has an entire club organizational structure that is essentially built around him.

Spurs do not have that at this point. To have less money and also a less developed system of spending the lesser amount of money is not a great strategic position to be in. Thankfully Chelsea and especially United still have shitty backrooms and Woolwich are even more cheaply run and are a total mess as things stand.
 
It's about time people woke up to the youth production line.
It's a steady income generator, not a breeding ground for the next first 11.
That's not to say we don't get the odd Kane here and there, but most either won't make it at Spurs or won't make it at all.
 
Klopp and Pep are the face of their teams. There may be someome working begind the scenes, but they're the ones earning the big bucks, they're the ones who fans identify with as being solely responsible and they're the ones that hold the cards.
 
bus-conductor said:
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I see. And the loan of £112m was to cover us for the delay in construction/ Wembley, etc?
bus-conductor said:
The club started borrowing heavily on the project in 2015 (200m) so as you can imagine, what ever the club has put in from it's own resources, has not been a quick 250m - it's been chipped in over many years, from 2009 onwards.
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So we were taking money made by the footballing side of things to pay for the real estate?
 
Brian Fantana said:
You seem to get very wound up by this on a daily basis, yet there is nothing we can do about it. You need to let it go. I haven’t looked it up but it probably equates to what someone like Danny rose earns in a year. Is it too much, probably, but I don’t really care. We probably pay more to agents in a year, which is a fuck of a lot more annoying.
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Its my opinion and he is accountable to the fans also - not just the shareholders. I believe reward follows effort and he has failed miserably

Also - I see the scum Airfixx Airfixx has agreed with this post meaning he endorses this while we continue to be taken for fools
 
FightingIllini said:
Spurs do not have that at this point.
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A Levy blindspot are you suggesting?

FightingIllini said:
To have less money and also a less developed system of spending the lesser amount of money is not a great strategic position to be in.
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No, this doesn't sound good but it does sound like something that a 'genius' whose been doing the same thing for 20 years should have figured out and rectified by now.

FightingIllini said:
Thankfully Chelsea and especially United still have shitty backrooms and Woolwich are even more cheaply run and are a total mess as things stand.
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Yes, the first two do but they also got a lot of cheddar with which to screw up. Woolwich had that money advantage and Wenger. We shall see on them.

I've had a PM convo with a Brit telling him how amateur some of these front offices look in comparison to what we'd be more familiar with. He bristled when I was lauding FSG and telling him how great they were from their Red Sox time and that they'd do the same with Liverpool. His belief was that it would all end when Klopp's contract was up. Of course Klopp renewed a few weeks later and they've gone on to hoist the CL and PL since.
 
So from what I can gather from from the positivos, this is a great signing precisely because he's not going to play

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I’m anxious to know who we prefer to bring in at RB. I really can’t see it being Aarons the more I think about it. He just doesn’t fit the Jose player profile. And I think it’d be a really bad look to sell Aurier and replace him with a player the level of Aarons. That’d be potential disaster territory. If Aurier stays I could see Aarons as a backup I suppose.

But if we are selling Aurier, a decent RB at thePL level, it implies we are looking to upgrade. Aarons is certainly no guarantee to be an upgrade. I think someone on the level of Semedo is more what we’d be looking for.
 
Matt1882 said:
It's about time people woke up to the youth production line.
It's a steady income generator, not a breeding ground for the next first 11.
That's not to say we don't get the odd Kane here and there, but most either won't make it at Spurs or won't make it at all.
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Fine, but the money lies in showing suitors that they can compete at a decent level; not binning them when suspecting at the age of 18 that they may not end up as starters for us.
 
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