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Manager Jose Mourinho

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ryuzakiluke100 said:
I still haven't seen any idea about what would come next if fans have their way sacking Mourinho soonest.

I meant what manager would we get? How would we attract Pep, Klopp level of manager if Levy can't spend as much as they like? If we go back to the Poch like emerging manager, do you guys think Kane, Son would patiently stay to see how it goes? If we plan without them, then are you ready for worst case scenario where the new manager ain't the same level as Poch, and we're not as lucky to have a very good team like under Poch? We were under the radar back then, our position is different now. See how teams have started asking stupid high fee for their highly rated players when we inquired. Shopping bargain is always hit and miss pre Poch through his reign, and even now.
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Nonsense argument.

Ronald fucking McDonald would do a better job with these players than the cunt we've got in charge now.

Quite literally pick the first person you see in the street and put him in the dugout. I honestly believe it wouldn't be any worse to watch.
 
El Magnifico said:
and what happened with Conte? were they playing better football? How well did he do when he had to compete in Europe like all other top clubs?

But then my point was never about firing Mourinho or not, but that trying to blame everything on him is poor judgement. The squad is lacking in quality and that is independent of Mourinho. Sacking Mourinho will not magically fix that.

As to tactics, I see what he is trying to setup and see players like PEH, Ndombele, and Reguilon settling into their roles. But we are a few players short and that affects the immediate product. I would like to see the addition of a playmaker and top quality CB before passing judgement.
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We have enough quality in the team that should be able to beat the might of Newcastle, west ham and Fulham at home.
We have way under performed in a season that has seen lesser sides now all pushing for places around us.
 
H4SPURS said:
So, him saying the facts and actually what happened is now no longer ok? He has to coddle the players? He has never done that all his career and why would he choose to not be truthful?
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Fair point but management methods have moved on in all walks of life. Shouting at people used to be normal in the workplace until they realised it doesn’t really work, except in the very short term.
 
El Magnifico said:
and what happened with Conte? were they playing better football? How well did he do when he had to compete in Europe like all other top clubs?

But then my point was never about firing Mourinho or not, but that trying to blame everything on him is poor judgement. The squad is lacking in quality and that is independent of Mourinho. Sacking Mourinho will not magically fix that.

As to tactics, I see what he is trying to setup and see players like PEH, Ndombele, and Reguilon settling into their roles. But we are a few players short and that affects the immediate product. I would like to see the addition of a playmaker and top quality CB before passing judgement.
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The squad isn’t the best in the league, no one is saying that.

But it is MUCH better than he is showing it to be. His team selections, tactical setup and substitutions leave a lot to be desired. I just can’t understand what people are seeing tactically that gives them much hope for optimism.

We were told to judge Jose on his results, he’s a guy that delivers those in his first full season at clubs. He isn’t delivering, and he is accountable for that.

Nothing from his past suggest he’ll get this right in time, it just isn’t the Jose story.

The simple fact is he’s just not the exceptional manager he used to be. It’s why the clubs with bigger resources than us passed him over when he was sacked by Utd.
 
H4SPURS said:
So, “you” prefer to be happier even if it means our club goes trophyless?

I personally prefer our club wins something! Anything!!! I can enjoy that instead of playing tiki taka football for enjoyment.
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Were you a supporter under George Graham? Do you think that league cup win in the worst final you're likely to see was worth 2.5 years of atrocious mid table football? As has been said before if you're playing boring football you have to be winning or seriously challenging for the title to justify it. If we're playing as we are to finish 6th or 7th then its not sustainable, its not like we're building anything or playing a load of youngsters. This season is reminding me more and more of 13/14, good start results wise but average performances that caught up with us eventually and we finished 6th. It cost 2 managers their job.
 
skywalker68 said:
We have enough quality in the team that should be able to beat the might of Newcastle, west ham and Fulham at home.
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City , the league leader drew 5 times this season , we 6 times. That tells you they have dropped points against some opponent they shouldn't when their quality are above anyone else in the league.
The league is tighter than ever , nobody have a certain results. Anyone lesser than Mourinho would have been considered as doing a good job this season
 
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windrepel said:
City , the league leader drew 5 times this season , we 6 times. That tells you they have dropped points against some opponent they shouldn't when their quality are above anyone else in the league
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If we were top playing mostly great football i dont think anyone would be complaining about 6 draws. I'd say there is a big difference in not playing well, going behind and then getting a draw than being ahead against 5 teams worse than us and throwing it away because of not wanting to cross the half way line. It might happen once or twice but 5 out of 19 games?
 
windrepel said:
City , the league leader drew 5 times this season , we 6 times. That tells you they have dropped points against some opponent they shouldn't when their quality are above anyone else in the league.
The league is tighter than ever , nobody have a certain results. Anyone lesser than Mourinho would have been considered as doing a good job this season
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It's a miracle that we are still in such a high position in the league considering how shit we have been since December.
 
El Magnifico said:
and what happened with Conte? were they playing better football? How well did he do when he had to compete in Europe like all other top clubs?

But then my point was never about firing Mourinho or not, but that trying to blame everything on him is poor judgement. The squad is lacking in quality and that is independent of Mourinho. Sacking Mourinho will not magically fix that.

As to tactics, I see what he is trying to setup and see players like PEH, Ndombele, and Reguilon settling into their roles. But we are a few players short and that affects the immediate product. I would like to see the addition of a playmaker and top quality CB before passing judgement.
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You're gonna do your back in if you scrape the barrel any harder.
 
Smogz said:
I rally don't get that 69% is Mourinho in.
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I think its a lot of stubborn people not wanting to admit they were wrong in saying jose would be a great appointment. It's made them do a 180 on their view of our players. From saying we have the players, its just the manager letting us down. To the exact opposite. It's hard keeping up.
 
Since the draw at Palace, I've felt the team has lost confidence and belief in Mourinho's ideas.

It may be another year of this shit but I hope he goes, he won't walk so we have to wait for Levy to sack.

Our results may improve in the short term but I won't change my mind. Mourinho and his anti-football philosophy is done in the Premier League, as it was at Man U.
 
Team Tanguy said:
Please stop.

People who say they like defensive football are talking shit. Their enjoyment of the game is based on the result. Can you enjoy a bus parking low possession, low chances created game if we lose? If you have to wait until the end of the game to know whether you enjoyed the football then it's not good mate.
It's fun once in a while, the excitement of hanging on against a giant and hoping for a smash and grab, which when it comes off is awesome. If you would still enjoy the football when getting battered all game and losing then maybe you're into self torture.

99% it's totally shit to watch. It's literally about playing percentages and taking as less risk a possible because it's the EASIEST thing to do. It's about stifling opponent creativity. As equally lacking in excitement as it is honour.

It is heavily reliant on your opponent having the balls and courage (that your team doesn't) to attack otherwise it's a bus vs bus stalemate.
It's literally a game of who has less shame and we win it most weeks.

Coaching players to play through teams is the hardest thing to do in football. Sitting back in a defensive shape and countering is the easiest thing to do. It's why bottom teams bus park. It's why when clubs who play football are under threat of relegation they hire a bus park specialist (Big Sam, Pulis etc) because they play the percentages.

There's nothing genius or aesthetic about this atrocious football.
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I agree 100% with all of this.

The only caveat that I'll add is that counter-attacking football can be thrilling to watch.

The key to this statement is however that it's attempted frequently, and that the attack is played through the thirds of the pitch rather than a hopeful ball into the channels (that's fine an acceptable if it's part of the mix).
 
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