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Management Poll: Who do you want most as our next manager?

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Who would be your first choice?

  • Graham Potter

  • Scott Parker

  • Ten Hag

  • Rafa Benitez

  • None of the above - comment below

  • *Marcelo Bielsa

  • *Ralf Rangnick

  • *Ralph Hasenhüttl

  • *Steven Gerrard

  • *Julen Lopetegui

  • *Christophe Galtier

  • *Marcelo Gallardo

  • *Oliver Glasner

  • *Ryan Mason

  • *Maurizio Sarri

  • *Gian Piero Gasperini

  • *Mauricio Pochettino

  • *Antonio Conte

  • *Eddie Howe

  • *Gareth Southgate

  • *Nuno Espirito Santo

  • *Paulo Fonseca

  • *Gennaro Gattuso

  • *Ernesto Valverde

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ElTel said:
If continuity matters you do not hire a manager like Conte who doesn't give a fuck about projects. You hire a Poch, a Ten Hag, a Potter, coaches who buy into a club philosophy and work within it. I really think Levy has some serious mental problems because his actions don't match his words.
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I think Conte fits, if you build a long-term structure above him. You can hire a Conte, fully expecting him to be gone in 2 years, if you have a Sporting Director and other posts all focusing on a long-term plan. Honestly, I'd prefer that in a sense. Pochettino was great, and I think Potter would be a good fit, but we need someone above that who is steering the whole club on a long-term footballing plan. That's the key hire we need, and have failed at over the years. We nearly had it with Mitchell, but his personal chemistry didn't work, and Pochettino and Levy's did far too well.
 
Juicy Sushi said:
If you call this failure, you haven't been watching for very long. We narrowly missed out on a few big results under Pochettino. We hired a bad replacement, which is on the CEO, but to claim that everything is constant failure, given where we were 20 years ago compared to now, is just utter fiction.
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Well you have your view and I have mine, which is in twenty years he has made one good decision on a manager , that is Poch
Harry was a total panic hire to avoid relegation
Jol was a Santini walked out before unpacking his suitcase hire
 
Juicy Sushi said:
No, the best clubs back themselves. If we let Conte have 7 guys he wants, but then when he leaves we lose the 7 people with all the decisions and plans, then we have a much larger gap to fill going forward. The club does have a job to do in protecting itself against sudden changes. Continuity as a club does matter. You don't just roll over the lick the boots of the new coach. You are hiring a talented employee, but you are not giving them full control of the entire business.
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What?

You think that Levy will be clueless if we let Conte hire 7 instead of 4 people?

That makes no sense.
 
MasonBall said:
Well the club aren't exactly backing themselves if they are expecting the guy to leave or things to go tits up? Why tf are they hiring him if they don't have faith in him to deliver.

Look at the Liverpool/Klopp example for a case study on how it should be done. Look at Daniel Levy for a case study on how it shouldn't.
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You hire the guy to coach the squad. You can do that fully expecting he will leave fairly quickly. The issue is the overall plan. Klopp and Liverpool are one way. Another way is on having the structure in place so that coaches can come and go while the plan can continue. In that sense, you want to follow the model at somewhere like Bayern or Sevilla.

You can't expect that the Sir Alex Fergueson situation is normal, or ideal. It doesn't make sense to base your plans on a ridiculous stroke of luck.
 
C.P. Harris said:
20million per season is okay if we're going to be playing into the final stages of the CL etc etc regularly.
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I don't remember the last time a Conte team got to the final stages of the CL. I know last season they finished bottom of their group consisting of Real Madrid, Borrusia MGladbach and Shaktar Donetsk

His overall record in European football is quite average iirc
 
Juicy Sushi said:
It's not about Ledley. Do you know which 7 guys he means? Does he want a whole bunch of new medical staff? Do you want a whole bunch of new guys who don't know the players or their medical histories, and whose practices you don't know, playing with their health? Sounds great until someone gets a major injury due to unfamiliarity with their situation, or fails a drug test due to new steriods they weren't warned about.

Does he want a someone to control the Academy? And maybe steer all the kids to signing with his preferred agent? (Sam Allardyce's favourite habit)

We don't know exactly what the 7 people would be doing, so there is no point in assuming it's something we should want. The club does have a need and a right to ensure it retains control over certain things, regardless of the manager. We should have done more of that with Mourinho, given what has come out about his training and fitness habits.
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Conte has successfully gone into new jobs at Inter, Chelea, Juve and the Italian national team, what are the chances that what he is asking for is going to risk the team when that has never happened at a single place he has been at?

What has happened in the past is that Levy has fucked things by being too cheap and wanting to retain too much control.

You can go with the narrative that Levy is protecting the club and doing the right thing based on nothing, I will choose to go with where all the facts and history point and that is that Levy is up to his usual BS.
 
Igula said:
What?

You think that Levy will be clueless if we let Conte hire 7 instead of 4 people?

That makes no sense.
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I think the issue isn't Levy. It's what do those 7 people do, and do you want all those 7 roles to be short term guys who might leave. If it's 7 first team coaches who do attacking, defense, goal keeping, set pieces, physical training, and a couple of other things, that's fine. If it's one guy making all the medical decisions on the players, someone to control the Academy, and so on, then I think you say no.

We don't know what exactly is being asked for.
 
Juicy Sushi said:
I think Conte fits, if you build a long-term structure above him. You can hire a Conte, fully expecting him to be gone in 2 years, if you have a Sporting Director and other posts all focusing on a long-term plan. Honestly, I'd prefer that in a sense. Pochettino was great, and I think Potter would be a good fit, but we need someone above that who is steering the whole club on a long-term footballing plan. That's the key hire we need, and have failed at over the years. We nearly had it with Mitchell, but his personal chemistry didn't work, and Pochettino and Levy's did far too well.
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The supposed logic of a DoF is to provide continuity because the DoF hires the Head Coach & signs players both for his system and the long term.
But if the rumours are true, our DoF will be Conte's Italian mate, who he worked with at Juve.
Levy is appointing our Head Coach, not the DoF.
So if Conte goes, the DoF probably goes too.
The current proposal, as we know it, does not seem to provide the continuity that supporters of a DoF system claim it does.
 
Juicy Sushi said:
I think the issue isn't Levy. It's what do those 7 people do, and do you want all those 7 roles to be short term guys who might leave. If it's 7 first team coaches who do attacking, defense, goal keeping, set pieces, physical training, and a couple of other things, that's fine. If it's one guy making all the medical decisions on the players, someone to control the Academy, and so on, then I think you say no.

We don't know what exactly is being asked for.
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We have zero reason to think that what he is asking for is unreasonable.
 
Juicy Sushi said:
You hire the guy to coach the squad. You can do that fully expecting he will leave fairly quickly. The issue is the overall plan. Klopp and Liverpool are one way. Another way is on having the structure in place so that coaches can come and go while the plan can continue. In that sense, you want to follow the model at somewhere like Bayern or Sevilla.

You can't expect that the Sir Alex Fergueson situation is normal, or ideal. It doesn't make sense to base your plans on a ridiculous stroke of luck.
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Well if it is down to luck, Levy is one unlucky bloke judging by how often it’s not worked out
 
Elias said:
The supposed logic of a DoF is to provide continuity because the DoF hires the Head Coach & signs players both for his system and the long term.
But if the rumours are true, our DoF will be Conte's Italian mate, who he worked with at Juve.
Levy is appointing our Head Coach, not the DoF.
So if Conte goes, the DoF probably goes too.
The current proposal, as we know it, does not seem to provide the continuity that supporters of a DoF system claim it does.
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It depends. If the DoF did go when Conte goes, then yeah, it doesn't. If the guy being hired is intending to come, independent of Conte, then the previous relationship is a nice bonus. We don't know, although apparently we have tried to hire this guy before.
 
Why are people losing their minds over Conte taking time to consider things?

He'd be moving back to the UK, probably away from his family. He'd need to consider the financial benefits for him, and whether it is long term enough.

If neither party weren't fully onboard with it, negotiations wouldn't have got this far. It's natural for these things to happen.
 
ElTel said:
I don't remember the last time a Conte team got to the final stages of the CL. I know last season they finished bottom of their group consisting of Real Madrid, Borrusia MGladbach and Shaktar Donetsk

His overall record in European football is quite average iirc
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Hmph yeah. But then you still get 18 million US dollars for reaching the group stages and then payments for wins and draws. I'm just saying he might pay for the £20 million per season himself by winning things or reaching benchmarks.
 
Igula said:
Conte has successfully gone into new jobs at Inter, Chelea, Juve and the Italian national team, what are the chances that what he is asking for is going to risk the team when that has never happened at a single place he has been at?

What has happened in the past is that Levy has fucked things by being too cheap and wanting to retain too much control.

You can go with the narrative that Levy is protecting the club and doing the right thing based on nothing, I will choose to go with where all the facts and history point and that is that Levy is up to his usual BS.
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I am not exactly saying that, but whatever. My point is just that the club has the right to ensure that it does have control over certain things, regardless of what a coach wants. We've been poor at some of those things in the past, and sometimes, we have done far too much of what the coach wants.

Coaches are not gods, and should never be treated as such, any more than chairmen should. Too many people at Spurs have had too much individual power when they shouldn't have in the past 10 years, and that's why we are in the situation we have been in.
 
Juicy Sushi said:
You hire the guy to coach the squad. You can do that fully expecting he will leave fairly quickly. The issue is the overall plan. Klopp and Liverpool are one way. Another way is on having the structure in place so that coaches can come and go while the plan can continue. In that sense, you want to follow the model at somewhere like Bayern or Sevilla.

You can't expect that the Sir Alex Fergueson situation is normal, or ideal. It doesn't make sense to base your plans on a ridiculous stroke of luck.
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No, no, you've got it all wrong. Clubs like Bayern, Chelsea and Sevilla are successful because they have the structure in place to back whatever coach they have. They may go through alot of coaches because the standards are very high, but when they bring in a coach they bring in the staff, players etc that he wants and usually works very closely with DOF to do so.

Chelsea for example fly through managers but they always bring them in as if they were coming to stay forever. Shit may happen and fallouts/disagreements may occur a year or so down the line but they never had that intention at the start. It seems Levy is too scared and caution will get you nowhere fast.
 
Interesting thing my Chelsea mate raised.

We're all focused on:
Joined Juve 7th - won 3 titles
Joined Chelsea 10th - won title
Joined inter 4th - won title

He's never made it past the last 16 of the CL apparently
 
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