Is it okay to critcise Kane or does that mean i'm not a real Yid cause he's still under contract?
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Don't build a strawman around my posts, please.
He's a world-class player, one of the best strikers in the world that's under contract with us with THREE years remaining on it. This means if a club wants to buy him they will have to pay an appropriate fee. Spurs are under no pressure to sell, the pressure is on the buying club, either they do or don't put in an appropriate bid that reflects the above position around him.
DL hasn't let this go on too long. If there was a "gentleman's agreement" made between him and Kane what do you think that was? DL: "we will sell you, Harry, for 60% of what your value is"!??! It's City that are letting this go on too long, they haven't offered enough money. If they value Grealish at £100m then Kane is worth substantially more than that, every metric in the book will support this. City doesn't need to get this done quickly, they've just won with easy the League without a CF, with a striker worse than Vinicius!!
I would love to buy something from you, do you own a house? If you do I'm only going to offer you 60% of its value and I expect you to sell it to me immediately. Once I've bought it from you, you are welcome to buy it from me back but I would want double the amount because I am ambitious and I'm trying to raise money so that I can reinvest it, I know will be sympathetic in what I am trying to do here, so cheers for all your help, it's much appreciated for you not trying to get in my way of being ambitious by allowing me to get one over you.
I only support Spurs. I don't "support" players. I like and/or don't like players, I arrive at who I like and don't like by how they played, made me feel watching them and how they conducted themselves whilst at my Club. I didn't, therefore, welcome Bale back as an example, I thought he acted like a dick when he left (I also thought that he wasn't a good fit stylistically for how I want Spurs to play). A recent example of another player that recently left that I like is Eriksen, he was straight with the club on wanting to leave, he didn't sign a new contract (unlike Kane), he didn't refuse to turn up to training, was always available to play and improved the team's performance when he did play (off the bench), stated openly he wouldn't join another PL rival.
Kane's entire brand is built around the clean living, great Dad, great husband, loyal boyhood Spurs fan. This brand is at odds with him pushing the stories in the press at the end of last season and him now not turning up at the training ground. Just look at Grealish vs Kane right now.
If Kane is sold for an appropriate fee (as per above) then we can reinvest this money well it will be good for us (if invested wisely). I need to remind you that the Coutinho sale went on for over a season. I'd argue all day that he's NOT a type Klopp player, by that he's not an aggressive counter-presser, I think they played that sale brilliantly and marketed him out as a Barca Club type player whilst also saying he's not for sale to push the price up, whilst actually not wanting him as he's not a typical "Klopp player" (at that time Eriksen's numbers were far superior to that of Coutinho in almost every metric but the dumbest Club on the planet, Barca, overpaid just as they did for almost every player they've bought for the last 7yrs or so).
Will Kane be worth less than £100m next season with two years left on his contract? No. So, spend the next +12 months selling him, more importantly giving us time to rebuild the squad with targets properly scouted and profiled and agreed on by a management team that's had longer than 2 weeks working together.
Like I said I'm comfortable with Kane going but
1. Only for a fee that benefits Tottenham, not that benefits a rival. If it's to a rival then we fuck them and fuck them hard, that means sell him to City (if they want him) for £30m more than we can get to say from PSG). But ultimately, if Kane wants to leave then sure mate, we've Inter or Juve will take you so you can get the scudetto you've always dreamed of.
2. Because I suspect we are playing a style of football (slow) to fit him in, rather than him play a style we want because he can't anymore.
3. I will not be cheering him on at City, never in a month of Sunday's. I would want him to fail there.
Yes--his age and injury history are factors here. A 23-year-old superstar has a major falling out and a season is basically lost, top clubs will still come in. But at 28 and with glass ankles, Kane is apt to be evaluated differently after a lost season. We all lose then, but especially him.
Man City were on the fence over Kane even before he went AWOL. They might take a step back and think"You know what, we sign players who turn up for training. Haaland and Mbappe are available next summer. Spurs can keep him."True, buty unless City offers the right amount of money Kane is in the bigger losing situation than Levy.
If he refuses to show up to training or games, he won't get paid and can't play anywhere else. If he ends up sticking around and puts in half the work and his performances drop off a cliff, we lose value as a club, but no club is going to come running after a bad season or two. He's already risking it right now, but he loses the support of the fans and becomes a pariah within and outside of the club.
However people feel about Levy, he and the club have almost all the leverage in this situation. IF the reports about Grealish are true and City are looking to spend 100 million for him, then Harry is worth at least 125. Probably closer to 150.
Do you think holding on to Harry against his will makes it more likely other top strikers will come of less likely? Especially considering the fact that the club has failed to provide adequate cover at striker for years because of penny-pinching.
100% - same happened with ModricThis happens every time a star player wants out, we hear about Gentleman's Agreements being broken and the player having to look bad in order to force through a move that usually doesn't take place until the final days of the window.
They get all the shit whilst Levy comes out of it smelling of roses.
It's pretty obvious that a deal has already been agreed and the player is made to look like the 'enemy' instead as per Levy's terms.
You know when you've been Levy'd, at least some fans do. Others are looking for a scapegoat and imo are looking in the wrong place!
. I'm genuinely curious to how you think we show genuine ambition? The kind that attracts other players to the club and make the current players want to stay.
- Recently, we nearly won the league & CL even though our ambitions at the time were to become a top 4 team and build a new stadium to further inject cash into our squad.
Nah give him a run around with the Under 25s
Didn't Modric only stop turning up for training when the signing to Madrid was basically confirmed?
This happens every time a star player wants out, we hear about Gentleman's Agreements being broken and the player having to look bad in order to force through a move that usually doesn't take place until the final days of the window.
They get all the shit whilst Levy comes out of it smelling of roses.
It's pretty obvious that a deal has already been agreed and the player is made to look like the 'enemy' instead as per Levy's terms.
You know when you've been Levy'd, at least some fans do. Others are looking for a scapegoat and imo are looking in the wrong place!
This is just reminding me more and more of when Kevin Durant forced his way out of Oklahoma to go to Golden State.
Don't think it makes any difference personally.Do you think holding on to Harry against his will makes it more likely other top strikers will come of less likely? Especially considering the fact that the club has failed to provide adequate cover at striker for years because of penny-pinching.
It isn't enough to claim I did something. Show evidence. You claimed contradiction where none existed. Feel free to show what my strawman argument was. Just because I beat down your points easily doesn't mean I constructed them.
Yup, and him not showing up increases the pressure on the club...EXACTLY THE REASON HE IS DOING IT. And then when he's does show up and plays half-assed the pressure increases further. And then when the one-man team becomes the shitty one-half-assed--player team it increases further. If this wasn't so then most of your legacy fans wouldn't be throwing your toys out the pram right now. Fact!This means if a club wants to buy him they will have to pay an appropriate fee. Spurs are under no pressure to sell, the pressure is on the buying club, either they do or don't put in an appropriate bid that reflects the above position around him.
Sure he has. Player said in May he wanted out. Season starts next week. Legacy fans who lived in denial are going nuts because player doesn't show up. Too long. Simple. So now your boy DL will have lost the best player and best manager we've had in their time because of poor management.
And was punished and forced to stay even after doing all of that. How'd that go for us Guids?A recent example of another player that recently left that I like is Eriksen, he was straight with the club on wanting to leave, he didn't sign a new contract (unlike Kane), he didn't refuse to turn up to training, was always available to play and improved the team's performance when he did play (off the bench), stated openly he wouldn't join another PL rival.
Remind me all you'd like but you'd better remind yourself first. It went on for 6 months because Liverpool pissed off Soton. The deal happened in January didn't it?I need to remind you that the Coutinho sale went on for over a season.
Lots of nonsense in here. We've had 5 years to 'rebuild' and you out here not wanting rebuild anyway. Dele must stay right? He's gonna come good. Now you're just negotiating your grief. Acceptance will be soon my friend.Will Kane be worth less than £100m next season with two years left on his contract? No. So, spend the next +12 months selling him, more importantly giving us time to rebuild the squad with targets properly scouted and profiled and agreed on by a management team that's had longer than 2 weeks working together.
But you weren't saying all this until he didn't show up which leads me to question your actual comfort with him going. Me? I'm tots comfortable with it...and would be elated if he carried Dele and all the other dross he's been carrying with him for the last few years out the door too.1. Only for a fee that benefits Tottenham, not that benefits a rival. If it's to a rival then we fuck them and fuck them hard, that means sell him to City (if they want him) for £30m more than we can get to say from PSG). But ultimately, if Kane wants to leave then sure mate, we've Inter or Juve will take you so you can get the scudetto you've always dreamed of.
2. Because I suspect we are playing a style of football (slow) to fit him in, rather than him play a style we want because he can't anymore.
3. I will not be cheering him on at City, never in a month of Sunday's. I would want him to fail there.
Durant allowed his contract with Oklahoma City to expire whilst stirring up beef with his co-stars on the team. Leaving to join the Golden State Warriors. Which was described at the time as the weakest move ever done by a superstar in the NBA.
This.Modric had an excellent season after his failed move to Chelsea, Suarez after his Woolwich move fell apart, it really depends on the individual. If Kane does end up staying then he's going to have to get his head down and do his work if he wants to break Shearer's record. Can't afford to waste an entire season out of spite.